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okay missed page two. If you for definate that Emma Tuck's parents were John and Caroline Tuck, and that she was born in 1864 for which corresponds with the cert you have. Then it is most likely you have the correct certificate.

You would have to be very unlucky to have two Emma's born in shoreditch in 1864 with the same first parents names. Tuck I don't think is all that common.

Of course the only way to 100% prove this is to order the other cert and rule it out.

Could you post exactly what it says on her marriage cert.

I.e. what age she gives at marriage, does she mention a usual residence, who are the witnesses, and does it mention her father as John Adolphus Tuck or just John Tuck. I know there is a discrepancy with the occupation as to whether it is Sailor or Tailor.

I am sure i had John Adolphus Tuck's parents were William Tuck & Mary Ann Cambridge.

But she says its not....aahhhhhhhh....my brain hurts..lol..lack of sleep..poorley cat keeping me up.

"However, the John TUCK who was the son of William TUCK, and Mary Ann CAMBRIDGE didn't marry a Caroline MCCARTHY. Instead , he married an Elizabeth JEFFREY in 1858 (probably at Hauxton, Cambridgeshire). The John TUCK who married Caroline MCCARTHY was, indeed, the son of a William and Maryann/Mary Ann TUCK"

She says her Johns parents were William Tuck & Mary Ann Cambridge.
Her jOhn marroed Elizabeth Jeffery.

BUT... I had John Adolphus's parents was William Tuck & Mary Ann Cambridge.

So..if that is wrong....who is the Mary Ann who married William Tuck?

AT LAST!!!..found the corrispondence...wasnt uner Tuck was under Cambridge.

Right,

This is one of the posts the lady sent me.

Quote"

Hi Paul,

It was your line of descent tto John TUCK that I was querying - you have it as follows:

William TUCK, born circa 1791, Harston, Cambridgeshire; married Mary Ann CAMBRIDGE, 8 Feb 1820, Harston, Cambridgeshire
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John TUCK, bap 02 Jan 1822, Saint James, Paddington, Middlesex; married Caroline MCCARTHY, 20 Jul 1856, Saint Thomas, Portsmouth

However, the John TUCK who was the son of William TUCK, and Mary Ann CAMBRIDGE didn't marry a Caroline MCCARTHY. Instead , he married an Elizabeth JEFFREY in 1858 (probably at Hauxton, Cambridgeshire). The John TUCK who married Caroline MCCARTHY was, indeed, the son of a William and Maryann/Mary Ann TUCK, but he was born at least ten years earlier, and in London, moreover. Plus his full name was given in the baptism records as John Adolphus TUCK, and his father, William TUCK, was a Piano Forte Maker - definitely not the William TUCK from Harston, who was a Thatcher!

Hope that helps a little!

Best wishes,

Sue"

Okay first question ;) lol

How do you know the birth cert you have, is not the correct one, if it has the correct first names for parents. This is the bit that has me confused.

Once I get that clear I can work from there.

1861 census the family are transcribed as Luck; John's occupation listed as Drayman; address 5 Tyson St, Shoreditch.

John;s POB Bayswater

Yes Chris..... thats them...sorry was HMS Wye....not Active...he came to Portsmouth aboard HMS Active.

1901 Census

WILSON, Emma Head Married F 37 1864 (Husband H M S Wyc)
Portsmouth
Hampshire VIEW
WILSON, John Son Single M 7 1894
Portsmouth
Hampshire VIEW
WILSON, Dorothy Daughter Single F 5 1896
Portsmouth
Hampshire VIEW
WILSON, Christina Daughter Single F 1 1900
Portsmouth
Hampshire VIEW

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
982 Folio:
128 Page:
27

Registration District:
Portsmouth Sub District:
North End and Buckland Enumeration District:
31 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Stephen's

Civil Parish:
Portsmouth
Hampshire


1911 Census

WILSON, Emma Head Widow F 47 1864 Saunders Hampshire Portsmouth VIEW
WILSON, John Son Single M 17 1894 Blacksmith's Labourer Hampshire Portsmouth VIEW
WILSON, Dorothy Daughter Single F 15 1896 Servant Domestic Hampshire Portsmouth VIEW

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5522 Reference:
RG14PN5522 RG78PN252 RD90 SD2 ED1 SN165

Registration District:
Portsmouth Sub District:
Kingston and East Southsea Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Portsmouth

Address:
6 Alver Road Kingston Portsmouth County:
Hampshire


19, Whitworth Road, Portsmouth County:
Hampshire

(not sure if these fit?)

Chris :)

One of thses Emma's I believe is my grt grandmother.

Births Jun 1864
TUCK Emma Shoreditch 1c 184
TUCK Emma Shoreditch 1c 178

I am trying to work out which?

I have cert 1c 184.....says parents are JohnTuck & Caroline McCarthy
BUT?...are they the right parents?

Emmas father was a John Tuck and mother Caroline,,,but is this them?.

Dont want to have to spend the money buying the other cert to find out. I cant afford it.....

Even buying the other..i am still no closer knowing who her parents were.
:(

Im trying to find out if i have purchased the right cert....lol.

Her fatehr was a John Tuck..mother Caroline.

So...there is a John Tuck married to a Caroline McCarthy in Portsea,, 1856.

Now...I have Emmas parents as John Adolphus Tuck & Caroline McCarthy

As her father (according to the census returns) was born in Paddington London 1821 / 22.

John A Tuck was born in Paddington c1822....The only John Tuck i could find being born around 1822 in Paddington.
I as sure i have seen the marriage of John A to Caroline Mc...but i cant recall where.

Some of Emma siblings are born in Portsmouth..some in Shoreditch....
There is not ref doe a Emma Tuck being born in Portsmouth in 1864..but there are 2 for Shoreditch.

The brith cert i have says hes a Drayman..but the census return show a number of different occupations.......
I just dont have them to hand..i have been looking..but Ancestrys Shoebox feature is not working for me right now..the census Ive looked at would be stored there....but cant get access....typical.

Oh, shame that, thought it might be London :-)

Seems you need to really have the original certificate (might be a clearer image), and the other Emma Tuck Birth Cert. to be sure of anything...

Chris :)

(just editing to say I thought you mean't a photocopy which had been given to you by a contact)

Thing is..her father would not have been a sailor in 1892..because in 1871...he is a naval pensioner so no longer in the navy.........

Emma Tuck married John Wilson in 23rd April 1892, Portsea.

but what is the year Paul?...

Chris :)

Emma marriage cert looks like a photo copy of original......not a typed copy.

I guess im no nearer knowing if i have it right. I cant go any futher until i work out once and for all who Emma parents are.

Bummer! ;(

Could you give the year Emma Tuck married, we might be able to check the image for Fathers Occupation?... (if available on London Marriages)

Chris :)

I believe John A Tuck was a Sailor..I have just looked at an old copy of my tree before i removed John & Caroline links.
I have him being a Sailor.....BUt for the life of me I cant find any of the details I have on them.
I really need to contact the lady who told me i had it wrong..BUT i dont recall who she was.

John A was her relation and said i had got it wrong..as he wasnt my Emma's father.

But I recall her John A had married a Caroline McCarthy.

The same for a guy i also conversed with about his Tuck family....He also had John A married to a Caroline McCarthy...BUt I cant find the convere docs. AHAHHHHHHHH !! so frustrating.

Its been some much eaiser tracing my mothers family line than my fathers.....his has been a nightmare since the start!.
He never spoke to me about his parents....and as far as I recall ...he had no photos either.

According to my uncle Leslie Wilson , my grandfather, son of Emma Tuck & John Wilson. Leslie was a drunk..or at least a heavy drinker.

When John died in 1908..Emma had 2 of their children put into homes.
Leslie & sister Christina.
Both sorted by the navy..as John was a Shipwirght..as was his father and his father and his father before him...lol.
I cant find Emma in the 1901 census....I have seen it..John is away onboard HMS Active.

Sorry Paul for digressing.
There is an email service for enquiries which I have copied/pasted

"Before you order a certificate
If you would like to ask us a question, or want to know more about one of our services before you order a certificate you can email us directly at [email protected]"

perhaps they can help before spending any more money.
Good luck - Jle