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there is only 1 box to tick to download from Documents online is shares the same tick box as collect in person from the national archives, shall i tick this box?

thanks Cath i will wait all day if i have to i never got this far before i am so excited, i really think Violet is my grandads mother cos she died so soon after giving birth to one of her children this is what everyone was told it has to be her since she died after giving birth Vera and what mary has found out for must be true everything is tallying up so far, it will be so great to know his merchant navy records not only to confirm but to know what his life was like when he was a young man, thank you all from the bottom of my heart xx

I don't know Michelle? I tried going through the ordering proccess myself but it's so complicated! I'm trying to find out stick with me for a mo'

I changed the delivery method from posted to view documents online I think?

I have confirmation that they are sending me an estimate

I think that means that they are not available online!

As I said it's not the easiest of websites to use!

cath on last page says this

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Delivery method By post Change
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BT 372/82/13 Copy all pages in this document Change

will they sent only by post or can i view it online before i hit the continue button is there anything i can change, never done this before sorry for asking so much questions

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i only want to view them online rather than waiting for post to arrive and do i choose black and white or colour ? whats best please x

No just click the first box and scroll down to continue
I think anyway!

Cath & Mary

I found the record atlast, now it's asking me questions i do not understand in the order page here, please may i ask if you know what i need to enter to buy the record it looks so complicated. There is 4 boxes do i tick them all?

delete link cos it was to long if u need i have copy of it in my notes x

Thanks Cath will do this now thanks for explaining x

Hi Michelle,

Just go to the link that Tempest gave you and put JOHN in Surname box and 1918 in year of birth box......then it will come up with a list of records and your grandads will be the 4th one down

Click on ordering and viewing options
then click on
Order printed or digital copies of this record
then tick this box ,,,,Copy all pages in this document
then scroll down and click on continuue
You have to put your details in at this point I think but if you get stuck let me know as it's not the most user friendly website in the world!
Good luck!

Kind regards,

Cathy

Thanks Mary for everything you done for me so far you are a gem, in my bones i feel your records must be correct, i can't wait to confirm all of this. I just need to get hold of the TNA record but i am lost how to do it.

Thanks Cathy

I opened the link and i can't find how you found this record, please can you explain how i can find it to buy and download please, sorry for being a bother xx

Michelle

I would go online and download the record from TNA that Cathy has found for you - hopefully it will give some more info about him, perhaps enough to confirm (or not) the info I've posted.

Mary

So this is who Violet married and my grandfathers father? i was told by my uncle howl that he came from London, is there anyway we can check?

many thanks xx


Name: Josiah John
Spouse Surname: Cockings
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917
Registration district: Swansea
Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1939
Find Spouse: Violet M Cockings

Have had a look at the national archives and this is what is coming up for
John year of birth 1918

R143854 JOHN J W 05/06/1918 SWANSEA

Which looks like it could well be your grandad as the date of birth is 5 June 1918. You should be able to order them online. Last time i got the same thing it cost £3.50.

Kind regards,

Cathy

Wow Mary i phoned my mother told her everything you shown me here, she said it must be Josiah then after i explained everything to her you said and including her dying after giving birth to Violet not her dad you are simply amazing. My mother lives in Cardiff so i told her please go get the marriage certificate soon as possible. Please can i ask if you can further help us find Violets family her siblings and parents names please sorry to ask for so much this is so very special to u xx

Okay, this is (I think) your grandfather Joseph (Josiah) family starting with his parents marriage:


Name: Josiah John
Spouse Surname: Cockings
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917
Registration district: Swansea
Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1939
Find Spouse: Violet M Cockings

Birth of Violet:

Name: Violet Maud Cockings
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Swansea
County: Glamorgan, West Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 921

Death of Violet:

Name: Violet M John
Death Registration Month/Year: 1921
Age at death (estimated): 23
Registration district: Swansea
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 978

Birth of sister of Josiah:

Name: Vera W John
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cockings
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1920
Registration district: Swansea
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 2480

So Violet died soon after the birth of her daughter Vera - not after the birth of Josiah........these stories often get changed in the telling ;-)))

There are no other births for John mmn Cockings.


Mary

Michelle

Firstly you need to get their marriage cert to confirm his father's name.........that will tell you whether what I am going to post next is possibly correct or not.

Mary

the Josiah record even has the same birth quarter, my grandfather birth month was June so i am even more ready to believe his first name must of been Josiah now, is there anyway we can match his birth with the death of his mother somehow using her maiden name and year, sorry if this is to much to ask

Yes the second one is correct he married my nana Olwen and i do not have his marriage record

Wow Mary this record looks very close to his name Joseph and if this is true no wonder we can't find his birth record under Joseph if his real spelling of his name is Josiah, how can i know for sure?

many thanks x

Do you have the marriage cert of Joseph and Olwen, it should give both father's names?

just having a look it might be this one but I can't get it to show the spouse name

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Joseph W John Name: Joseph W John
Spouse Surname: Davies
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1940
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 834

edit think it's linked to this one which has a smudge on the original

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Olwen Davies Name: Olwen Davies
Spouse Surname: John
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1940
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: ??34 (think it's 834)
Find Spouse: Find Spouse