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On its way.

Maureen

Also, I wonder if any one out there can obtain a different copy of the 1881 census, peter Howarth and his first wife, Thurza are listed at bottom of page, no children but by 1881, they had 3 children....
Thanks,
Deborah

Maureen,
Could you send me a copy of the 1911 census for Peter(1852) and Sarah Ann Howarth at 112 Fairfield Droylsden...like the one you sent me last week for the Edmonds side of the family. I printed it out and it is great copy.
Thanks,
Deborah

Quack! grin

Maureen

Maureen,
The fact that there was a child listed on the Census in 1881 named Peter 1 year old, was a sticking point. My grandfathers brother Peter was born in 1883. But I think they had a son Peter, he died in 1882 and they named another child Peter in 1883.
Looks that way to me, walks like duck....must be a duck. This looks like a family connection. Thanks very much....again

Hi Deborah,
I can only guess that Samuel was born after the census-3 April 1881.

1891 census transcription details for: 135, Fairfield Road, Droylsden
RG number: RG12 Piece: 3282 Folio: 113 Page: 18

Reg. District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub District: Audenshaw
Parish: Droylsden Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 135, Fairfield Road, Droylsden
County: Lancashire
HOWARTH, Peter Head Married M 39 1852 General Labourer
SalfordLancashire
HOWARTH, Sarah Ann Wife Married F 41 1850
MacclesfieldCheshire
HOWARTH, Mary H Daughter Single F 17 1874 Servant General
OpenshawLancashire
HOWARTH, Thomas Hy Son M 15 1876 Iron Moulder
OpenshawLancashire
HOWARTH, Elizabeth Daughter F 14 1877 Servant General
OpenshawLancashire
HOWARTH, Samuel Son M 9 1882 Scholar
SalfordLancashire
HOWARTH, Peter Son M 7 1884 Scholar
DroylsdenLancashire
HOWARTH, Ethel Daughter F 1 1890
OpenshawLancashire
SMITH, Richard Stepson M 18 1873 Iron Dresser
MacclesfieldCheshire
SMITH, Caroline Stepdaughter F 16 1875 Servant General
MacclesfieldCheshire
GARNER, Alfred Stepson M 11 1880 Scholar
MacclesfieldCheshire


1901 census transcription details for: 222, Manchester Road, Droylsden
RG number: RG13 Piece: 3788 Folio: 76 Page: 22


Reg. District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub District: Audenshaw
Parish: Droylsden Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 222, Manchester Road, Droylsden
County: Lancashire
HOWARTH, Peter Head Married M 49 1852 Carter For Urban District Council
SalfordLancashire
HOWARTH, Sarah A Wife Married F 51 1850
MacclesfieldCheshire
GARNER, Alfred Son Single M 21 1880 Labourer In Locomotive Works
MacclesfieldCheshire
HOWARTH, Samuel Son Single M 19 1882 Coal Carter
SalfordLancashire
HOWARTH, Peter Son Single M 17 1884 Coal Carter
DroylsdenLancashire
HOWARTH, Ethel Daughter Single F 11 1890
OpenshawLancashire


Maureen

Good morning,
Thanks again Maureen....my Great Grandfather, Samuel Howarth 1881 is not listed in the family you have here, with Peter and Thurza on Census. The other family member birthdates are all quite close to the same, however, I am not sure we have a match.
I do believe his marriage may have been to Theresa Coates, and I have a death of Theresa Howarth....so that seems a match.
Puzzling about the census though.
Any ideas?
Deborah

https://beta.familysearch.org
Groom's Name Peter Howarth
Groom's Birth Date 1852
Groom's Age 19
Bride's Name Theresa Coates
Bride's Birth Date 1851
Bride's Age 20
Marriage Date 1871
Marriage Place St. Michael, Ashton-Under-Lyne, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name Thomas Howarth
Bride's Father's Name Thomas Coates
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M17108-9
System Origin England-VR
Source Film Number 1550977
Reference Number 2:3H5J842


Maureen

Best guess on my part,but I can't see them in 1871.

Marriages Mar 1871
Coates Theresa Ashton 8d 644
Howarth Peter Ashton 8d 644

1881 Ancestry
Name: Peter Howarth
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Thurza Howarth
Gender: Male
Where born: Droylsden, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Droylsden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 198 Manchester Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Cotton Dyer
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Howarth 28
Thurza Howarth 28
Mary H. Howarth 8
Thomas H. Howarth 6
Elizabeth Howarth 5
Peter Howarth 1
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4044; Folio: 21; Page: 35

Maureen

Thanks, done, ordered...can't wait for it to arrive, I also ordered the marriage of my Grandparents.William and Ellen . That should give me a good start on clarification.
Now for the other side....perhaps you can help me out....Howarth family.
They were from Salford Lancashire area.I can't seem to find the name of wife of Peter Howarth 1853.
He married Sarah Ann Garner in 1888 and had Ethel 1890. However he had 5 other children Mary 1874/ Thomas 1875/ Elizabeth 1876/Samuel 1881/ my gr granddad) and Peter 1883 with someone else....can't find her name?
Thanks again for all you have done...
Deborah

Try FreeBMD and order from :

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Maureen

OOps. I can't seem to find the birth of William and Martha on Cheshire BMD to order the certs....

Hi Deborah,
Not tired of you at all! (my sister-in-law is another matter.....grin)

The certs don't really take a long time to arrive (2 weeks should be about right)..they just seem like they do. And don't start attacking your postman.

Hang in there!

Best,
Maureen

Maureen,
Glad to have you back. I thought you may have tired of me...
My father passed in 1997, he said there were twins in the family. Glad I finally have something concrete to see. Thanks so much.
In 1903,my William (1874) married Ellen Booth (1876.) This I know for CERTAIN. I thought his father was
William 1836 married Sarah Ecclestone in Shropshire, Drayton.
You know, I am getting so confused and now I am starting to doubt what I thought I had ...
I will order those documents now...it will be a start. Hope it does not take very long.
Deborah

Hi Deb,
Sorry-I got sidetracked yesterday. Meant to get back to the thread.

I'm with Chris all the way on the census findings. (although the 1891 is a hoot-BOA when they are ditto...)

I think your best bet would be to order William's birth and marriage certificates.

Just as an aside:
From the family search beta site:
Name William Edmonds
Gender Male
Event Type Marriage
Birth Date
Christening Date
Marriage Date 09 Jun 1872
Marriage Place Elworth, Cheshire, England
Father's Name Edward Edmonds
Principal's Residence , Elworth, Cheshire, England
Spouse's Name Ann Done
Spouse's Marital Status
Spouse's Residence , Elworth, Cheshire, England
Image Number 701
Digital Folder Number 4019157
Film Number 2262946

It does look as though your William Edward was a twin:
Births Dec 1874
Edmonds Martha Congleton 8a 302
Edmonds William Edward Congleton 8a 302

Deaths Dec 1878
EDMONDS Martha 4 Congleton 8a 225

Maureen

Hello, I do not have a trial for Find My Past. I think I used it last year, when I was looking to start this process...I did not have any idea where to start , so I wasted the find my past trial. Is there anyone who could tell me if that is the only way to research a census by address.
My William Edmonds 1836 was actually born in Moreton Wood, Shropshire.
William Edmonds 1874 was Congleton.

Thanks,
Deborah

Thanks Chris, I will try that now.
Deborah

www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

Hello Deborah, take a look round on the above link, or try googling for Family History in Cheshire,..

I'm not familiar with the area of Sandbach, or Cheshire itself, but bear in mind that families aren't always at the same address on each Census.

Also, take a look on google for Find My Past , and see if they have a free trial offer going, then you can do an address search for the Census.

Hope you get sorted, it does seem bewildering at first :-)

Chris :)

Still cannot confirm how Sydney is related to William
My family Edmonds was Congleton/Sandbach/Elworth/Haslington....Eva Street, Middlewich Road.
Any ideas how to get a Census by the street?

thanks for all your help,
The census for 1871, Edward EDMUNDS 1821 is not a relation
The census for 1881 Edwd EDMUNDS is not a relation.
The cesus for Charlotte Edmonds, Bootcloser is not the correct year, (1842).
The 1901 Census :Charlotte 1851 with nephew William 1874 Sugar Boiler seems a very good fit.
However, not sure how John 1879 fits in.
How can I find out parents of gr grandfather William, 1874. he had a sister Charlotte I guess...
Thanks for all your help everyone.
I am struggling to figure this all out.
Deborah/Canada