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Maureen, Perhaps you could help me out again. On Genes, I can only get an illegible copy of the 1841 census for William Edmonds 1836. He was 4, there are other family members with him and I can't reason out their names. If you could tell me what it says, that would be another big help.
Deborah

hi Deborah,
I'll try. Where was he??

Maureen

Moreton Say, Shropshire. He was 4 The head of house may have been John, there was a william 22 years as well in the house, can't see anything else...
Thanks again,

Maybe Moreton Wood?

This one? It looks as though they've got another Ann Edmonds in there beside Mary Hughes.
1841 census transcription details for: Moreton Wood, Moreton Say

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 900 Book/Folio: 2/20 Page: 4


Reg. District: Market Drayton Sub District: Moreton Say
Parish: Moreton Say Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Moreton Wood, Moreton Say
County: Shropshire

EDMONDS, John M 55 1786 Shropshire
EDMONDS, Ann F 70 1771 Shropshire
EDMONDS, Thos M 25 1816 Shropshire
EDMONDS, Wm M 22 1819 Shropshire
EDMONDS, Wm M 4 1837 Shropshire
HUGHES, Mary F 35 1806 Shropshire

Just curious-how does this family fit in? I thought your people were from:
1841 census transcription details for: Warmingham, Warmingham

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 122 Book/Folio: 19/10 Page: 15

Reg. District: Nantwich Sub District: Wybunbury
Parish: Warmingham Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Warmingham, Warmingham
County: Cheshire
EDWARD, Edward M 20 1821 Cheshire
EDWARD, Sarah F 25 1816 Cheshire
EDWARD, Ann F 0 (4 months) 1841 Cheshire




1851 census transcription details for: Whithing Street, Tetton
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2168 Folio: 337 Page: 1

Reg. District: Congleton Sub District: Sandbach
Parish: Tetton Enum. District: 11 & 12
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Whithing Street, Tetton
County: Cheshire
EDMOND, Edward Head Married M 30 1821 Shoemaker
MiddlewichCheshire
EDMOND, Sarah Wife Married F 36 1815
MiddlewichCheshire
EDMOND, Ann Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar
WarminghamCheshire
EDMOND, Charlot Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar
TettonCheshire
EDMOND, Edward Son M 6 1845 Scholar
TettonCheshire
EDMOND, William Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1851
TettonCheshire


Maureen

Thanks, I will check these out and get back to you....The william 4 yrs , might be my Gr Gr Grandfather....
I have to go to the funeral home tonight for a friends visitation. I will look when I get back home.
Wow, this takes up most of my days now....love it though

Sorry to hear about your loss.

Maureen

Good morning .
The census you sent are still a mystery. I can't confirm any of them. I will wait til I get the paperwork I sent for from England , then I will decide where things sit...
Thanks for the assistance with everything.TTFN

That's the best way to do it! Waiting is the hardest part....

Maureen

Deborah,


Most folk here would advise a sub to FMP or Ancestry plus a basic GR sub rather than a gold GR sub. A bit late now, but worth considering when it comes up for renewal.

In the meantime, GR is the cheapest way of accessing the census, so how to work around it's crappy search function. If you view the GR transcription (which is really provided by FMP) you'll see the census ref. Maureen & Chris have thoughtfully given this in their posts of 1841/51/91 as:

RG number: HO107 Piece: 900 Book/Folio: 2/20 Page: 4
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2168 Folio: 337 Page: 1
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2848 Folio: 131 Page: 28

If you're having trouble reading the names on the image, it can help to see what FMP thinks they are, so go to:

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/home.jsp

and do a people search in the census, choosing the search by census ref option, then fill in the ref. (NB in 1841, enter the book/folio as folio=2/20, say)

What you'll see is the names on that page - without an FMP sub, you won't see more details.

Incidentally, to get the names on the next/previous page, adjust the page #, and if that gets no hits, adjust the folio # too. That will give you a name to look up on GR so you can get the next/previous image (check the ref of your lookup).

The advanced search at FMP will let you search by other household member and occup, but that's not dead simple - is he a miner or a coal hewer, or a stone mason below ground, or a collier, or even a fireman?

Ancestry will let you specify his parents/spouse's forename. It will also give his age free - to search by census ref, you need to do an old style search with the exact matches box checked. The old/new style switch is at top right just under the main menu options banner.

The information given below is very useful....thanks so very much. I will change my options when GR comes up for renewal.
How do I keep the information I have saved on GR?
I would like to transfer it to a memory card or something so that my grandchildren will have it in years to come.
This has been quite a learning process and expensive too. I would hate to see all this wasted on a site that my grandchildren would have no access to in the future.
Any ideas would be gratefully received.
Thanks to all who have helped here. I am still awaiting the documents I ordered from England and I will be back after I have some more information.
Deborah

Deborah - re "How do I keep the information I have saved on GR?"

It's not clear which info you're referring to. If it's info you've entered into a family tree on GR, then you can (and should) periodically export this as a gedcom. This is a text file (even though it gets the .ged suffix) that contains standard headers that are understood by any family tree program that you may install on your PC.

If you mean the contents of this thread, you can't preserve it on here by yourself. At any time, people who've posted on this thread can come along and edit or delete the posts they've made (including you, as you know). What you should do for safety's sake is copy and paste this into a text file on your PC. You can then back that up in whatever way you fancy, just like any other file on your PC. I copy and paste everything (includinng this post).

Just in case you haven't C & P'ed before:
1) Open up a target file to recieve the post. My preference is for notepad text files, but there are other options. Click: Start - All programs - Accessories - Notepad
2) Highlight the first thing to be copied. Normally, you move your cursor slowly up to the start point and wait for it to change from an arrow to an I-beam. As soon as it does this hold the left mouse button down and dragr the pointer to the end of the last word you want to copy, then let it up. The block of text to be copied should be highlighted.
[I just tried with the title "Trying to Find: Passage to Canada" and I have a problem. As it's a clickable link, it won't change to an I-beam, but goes straight to an index finger. Well the easiest thing to do here is highlight it from back to front. The next thing to highlight will be the body of text beginning with "Deborah" - same problem, but this time I can include "Alert" - the last word of the previous line (and delete it later)]
3) type the letter c whilst holding the control key (ctrl) down.
This copies the highlighted block to a hidden location called the "clipboard" after first emptying the clipboard.
4) Click your mouse at the target location in the notepad document, then type v whilst holding the ctrl key down. This will paste the contents of the clipboard to the target location. It won't empty the clipboard, so you could click again to a fresh target, then ctrl-v will paste another copy there.
5) repeat for subsequent pages, then save the notepad document. The first time you do a save as, and get the option of naming the document to, say, GR-Edmonds_2010-10-22.txt or whatever.

Notepad is a word processor - a really really dumb one though. Anyways, once I've pasted stuff in I can edit it - like delete the extra "Alert", add extra blank lines to space things, and delete junk that gets put in. Some smarter word processors get confused with things that have some html function like buttons, check boxes, links, etc., but Notepad is too dumb to try and do anything other than extract the embedded text, and paste that in, which is really what I want to happen. It matters more with other pastes than it does with GR pastes, but still I use Notepad so often that I've got a shortcut to open it on my desktop.

If I access Notepad as above then right click on it, in Vista I select Copy, then right click on my Desktop and select Paste Shortcut.
Older OS's would give the option of create shortcut, and then create it and place it in the Accessories folder, so I could go back and right click on it, and select cut, then just paste it on my desktop.

A ctrl-x does a cut (= copy & delete) - obviously this won't work with other people's web pages, but will work inside my Notepad documents, e.g.

I ordered documents and have now received them.
Big dilemma now.
Parents of my gr grandfather( born Congleton 1874) are not who I thought they were.
Thought my gr gr grandparents were Sarah and William Edmonds. . However on birth certificate I ordered for William Edward, his mother is listed as Ann formerly Done....Not Ecclestone as I had thought.
So, the shoemaker Edmonds, were family. The Marriage cert for William Edmonds 1876 and Ellen Booth is listing father occupation as shoemaker. Wow, never heard that before. Explains my large collection of shoes though...lol.
So, I guess i need to start there and rework this .
Thanks
Deborah

Hi Deborah,
Well that works for me! It looks like the same people Chris and I were proposing. Further back I'd put up:
From the family search beta site:
Name William Edmonds
Gender Male
Event Type Marriage
Birth Date
Christening Date
Marriage Date 09 Jun 1872
Marriage Place Elworth, Cheshire, England
Father's Name Edward Edmonds
Principal's Residence , Elworth, Cheshire, England
Spouse's Name Ann Done
Spouse's Marital Status
Spouse's Residence , Elworth, Cheshire, England
Image Number 701
Digital Folder Number 4019157
Film Number 2262946


I'd say Ann died:
Deaths Mar 1879
Edmonds Annie 25 Congleton 8a 262

And William's family brought up the children.

Maureen

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ names the churchs in Maureen's posts:

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871 to 1875
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
EDMONDS William DONE Ann Elworth, St Peter Cheshire Central 1039/1/176
COATES Theresa HOWARTH Peter Ashton under Lyne, St Michael Tameside CE4/21/198

Hi Deborah,
I'm having problems sending you a message,so I thought I'd better put this stuff here.

Is this the family you were looking at?? (Sarah Ecclestone,etc)



1871 census transcription details for: Ashford Grange, Prees

RG number: RG10 Piece: 2795 Folio: 73 Page: 2


Reg. District: Wem Sub District: Prees
Parish: Prees Enum. District: 8A
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Ashford Grange, Prees
County: Shropshire
EDMONDS, William Head M 35 1836 Shropshire
EDMONDS, Sarah Wife F 30 1841 Shropshire
EDMONDS, Thomas Son M 4 1867 Shropshire
EDMONDS, Ann Daughter F 2 1869 Shropshire
EDMONDS, Elizabeth Daughter F 0 1871 Shropshire



1881 census transcription details for: Bradwall Road, Sandbach

RG number: RG11 Piece: 3538 Folio: 41 Page: 19

Reg. District: Congleton Sub District: Sandbach
Parish: Sandbach Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bradwall Road, Sandbach
County: Cheshire
EDMONDS, William Head Married M 45 1836 Gardener (Nd)
Moreton WoodShropshire
EDMONDS, Sarah Wife Married F 40 1841
Mal?Shropshire
EDMONDS, Anne Dter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Ashford GrangeShropshire
EDMONDS, Elizabeth Dter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Ashford GrangeShropshire
EDMONDS, William Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
MiddlewichCheshire
EDMONDS, Mary Dter Single F 0 1881
MiddlewichCheshire

1891 census transcription details for: 14, Emanuel Street, Oldham
RG number: RG12 Piece: 3299 Folio: 78 Page: 22

Reg. District: Oldham Sub District: Oldham Below Town
Parish: Oldham Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: Coldhurst City/Municipal Borough: Oldham
Address: 14, Emanuel Street, Oldham
County: Lancashire
EDMENDS, Sarah Head Widow F 50 1841 Washerwoman
Shropshire
EDMENDS, Willie Son M 13 1878 Coachman
MiddlewichCheshire
EDMENDS, Mary Daughter F 10 1881
MiddlewichCheshire

1901 census transcription details for: Hough Farm, Royton

RG number: RG13 Piece: 3828 Folio: 44 Page: 0

Reg. District: Oldham Sub District: Royton
Parish: Royton Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: Royton St Paul City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Hough Farm, Royton
County: Lancashire
EDWARDS, Thomas Head Single M 34 1867 Farmer
Mt DraytonShropshire
EDWARDS, Sarah Mother Widow F 59 1842
Mt DraytonShropshire
EDWARDS, Willie Brother Single M 25 1876 General Carter For Farmer
MiddlewichCheshire
EDWARDS, Mary Sister Single F 20 1881
MiddlewichCheshire

1911 census transcription details for: 39 Haggate Royton
RG14PN24579 RG78PN1408 RD469 SD6 ED5 SN96


Reg. District: Oldham Sub District: Royton
Parish: Royton Enum. District: 5
Address: 39 Haggate Royton
County: Lancashire
EDMENDS, Willie Head Married M 35 1876 Carter Middlewich Cheshire
EDMENDS, Emma Wife Married
3 years F 32 1879 Cardroom Hand Chadderton Lanc
EDMENDS, William Son M 1 1910 Royton Lanc
EDMENDS, Norman Son M 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 Royton Lanc

Maureenxx

Good morning MAUREEN,
HOPE YOU ARE FEELING BETTER.
I HAVE DECIDED TO CHECK OUT THE GR GRANDMOTHER SIDE OF THE FAMILY WHILE I AWAIT THE RESULTS OF THE DOCS I SENT FOR, I HOPE YOU CAN HELP.
I HAVE A 1851 CENSUS THAT I CAN'T READ FOR WILLIAM THOMPSTONE, IN HULME, MANCHESTER, BORN IN THE SAME AREA I THINK, IN 1846 I BELIEVE.
Thanks,
Deborah

Hi Deborah,
I'm still barking like a dog,but feeling better,thanks. How's Christmas going???

Is this the one you meant??

1851 census transcription details for: 29, Leaf Street, Manchester

RG number: HO107 Piece: 2221 Folio: 0 Page: 0


Reg. District: Chorlton Sub District: Hulme
Parish: Manchester Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 29, Leaf Street, Manchester
County: Lancashire
THOMPSTONE, Thomas Head Married M 34 1817
Lancashire
THOMPSTONE, Catherine Wife Married F 33 1818
DublinIreland
THOMPSTONE, William Son M 6 1845 Scholar
Lancashire
THOMPSTONE, Daniel Son M 4 1847 Scholar
HulmeLancashire
THOMPSTONE, Elizabeth Dau F 2 1849 At Home
HulmeLancashire
THOMPSTONE, Sophia Dau F 0 (4M) 1851 At Home
HulmeLancashire


Maureen

Feel better soon. Thanks for this Maureen.
Can't read a doc I found...this does not seem to be it though it may be(can't read the one I have so it could be this one).
My family is William 1806 and Eliza Thompstone .In 1851 census they should have 2 children, William, 1846 and Samuel 1849.
Thanks,
Deborah