Find Ancestors

1881 Census
Cochrane's not found.

1871
Name: Joseph Cochrane
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Cochrane
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/9
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Maxwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 118 Ardgowan St
Occupation: Civil Engineer
ED: 91
Household schedule number: 110
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1871_140
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Cochrane 48
Jane Cochrane 50
William Cochrane 14
Jane Cochrane 11

1901
Name: Ellen E Robertson
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/13
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Pollockshields
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 181 St Andrews Rd
Occupation: Annuitant
ED: 35
Household schedule number: 19
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1901_319
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen E Robertson 64
Minnie E Robertson 32

That's the first census on Ancestry that has her means on it.Did Joseph die 1891-1901 or is it a pension.

Hi Graham ,have you traced the Cochranes deaths on Scotlandspeople to make sure there mother was not a Robertson?

Ellen

Hi Graham,Have you looked at the Census found on Scotlandspeople to find when she first said she was a widow.
If that does not help find Joseph's death details ,Then the Mitchell Library would do a search for Helen's burial.You could ask if it was possible to find out the details of who else is buried in the same lair.If they can't do it , then Glasgow Cemetries Department could tell you who else is buried there .Gamble is that it was not a new lair for Helen.

Ellen

Potty /Ellen
Thanks for all this shall have to order copy from GRO ..have received a copy 1881LDS for 26 Airlie Terrace,Govan ,Lanark which shows Ellen Married age 46 Occupation:Housekeeper +5 children ..1901 lEllen was living at181 St.Andrews Road,Pollockshields,Glasgow age 64,Annuitant with unmarried daughter Minnie Emma Robertson age 32 so Ada,Joseph& Robert could have married...Someone has suggested trying The Mitchell Library ,Glasgow
Regards
Graham

l

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Joseph Cochrane Pedigree
Male

25 APR 1841 St John The Baptist, Chester, Cheshire, England
Joseph Cochrane Family
Mother: Jane

1891
Name: Ellen Robertson
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relationship: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Registration Number: 644/13
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 10 St Andrews Rd
ED: 48
Household schedule number: 19
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_296
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Robertson 55
Alexander Robertson 30
Joseph Robertson 24
Minnie Robertson 22
Ada Robertson 20

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


ADA WARD ROBERTSON Pedigree
Female

Birth: 21 JUL 1870 Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOSEPH ROBERTSON Family
Mother: ELLEN ELIZABETH WATERS

Well it's not your Joseph in the 1867 shipwreck

ALEXANDER JOHN ROBERTSON Pedigree
Male

25 JUN 1860 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JOSEPH ROBERTSON Family
Mother: ELLEN ELISABETH WATERS

1861
Name: Joseph Cochrane
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Cochrane
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 652/3
Registration district: Old Monkland Eastern District
Civil parish: Old Monkland
Town: Farms Cottages
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Greenside Cottage
Occupation: Civil Engineer
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1861_118
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Cochrane 37
Jane Cochrane 38
Joseph Cochrane 19
John H Cochrane 14
Mary Cochrane 12
Thomas B Cochrane 10
Anne M Cochrane 6
William Cochrane 5
Jane Cochrane 1
Helen E Robertson 27
Alexander I Robertson 9 MO
Elizabeth Falloon 16


JOSEPH COCHRAN Family
Mother: JANE LLOYD

1871
Name: Helen E Robertson
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relationship: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: London
Registration Number: 644/9
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Maxwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 119 Shields Road
Occupation: Artstudent
ED: 91
Household schedule number: 67
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1871_140
Household Members: Name Age
Helen E Robertson 37
Eliza C Robertson 6
Joseph Robertson 4
Minnie E Robertson 2
Ada W Robertson 8 MO

Sorry computers playing up.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


ELIZA CHARLOTTE ROBERTSON

28 SEP 1864 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
JOSEPH ROBERTSON Family
Mother: ELLEN ELIZABETH WATERS

This is not Glasgow

I am surprised that the LMA have told you that Joseph's address at the time he married would not be recorded on his marriage. This is standard info on a marriage reg as is the age of the partners, although this can sometimes say "of full age" meaning over 21. Maybe the LMA do not have full copies of the Register. I am sure this info would be on a cert ordered from the GRO.

Have already contacted LMA re marriage cert but was told that Joseph's birth/address would not be recorded so apart from knowing his father Alexander (Master Mariner) was present at the wedding realised that sending for the document would not give me further info.I note that Alexander b1860 had a second name of John which was the christian name of his maternal grandfather John Waters( also a Master Mariner) and maybe if I could trace if he married details re his father Joseph would throw up some clues. this is all getting complicated to say the least!!
Regards
Graham

Hi Graham

There does not appear to be a family connection with Elizabeth Fallon - she is shown as a servant on the 1861.

I did wonder if there might be a connection to Jane Cochrane but from the births of her children (on familysearch) her maiden name was Lloyd. Joseph's occupation of Civil Engineer is interesting, as Alexander is shown as a Bridge builder in 1891. I have tried to find Alexander in 1871 and 1881 but no luck.

I think that to find out more about Joseph and his father, you will have to get Joseph and Ellen's marriage cert. That would at least give his father's occupation and possibly Joseph's age, which might help find him on earlier censuses.

Ellen died May 5 1905 at home ... District of Tradeston,Glasgow Death record shows widow of Joseph Robertson(Master Mariner) informant J.Robertson (son) Am intrigued by the Cochrane household members and wonder if Elizabeth Falloon has any connection with Ellen This is all very complicated and am thankful to everybody for their efforts to help me
Regards Graham

Was hoping to find Alexander with a relative in 1871 which might have helped with Joseph's family, but no luck.

Where did Ellen die please? Just wondering if it was in a hospital. If so, it may be worth checking the Poor Relief Records as this was often the route to hospital for those who could not afford to pay. The records for Glasgow are held at the Mitchell Library and are indexed. You never know, you may be lucky and find that she claimed relief after Joseph's death in which case they may well give a year and place of death for him.


The people that pick up the enquiries on here are just members like yourself. They often have subscriptions to sites like Ancestry.co.uk and FindMyPast and are happy to use these to assist other researchers. Many of them have many years of experience researching family history and are, again, happy to share their expertise.