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This is the birth sadly..

Births Sep 1894 Vevers Mary Longtown 10b 470

T x

Maybe not

Sep 1894 (>99%)
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Vevers Mary Longtown 10b 470

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Thanks hun, no luck there then. But look as this.

Could the age have 6 been months?


1901 England Census
about Mary Vevers
Name: Mary Vevers
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation: Cousin
Gender: Female
Where born: Stapleton, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Nichol Forest
Ecclesiastical parish: Nichol Forest
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England




Registration district: Longtown
Sub-registration district: High Longtown
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Richd G Vevers 23
Margaret Vevers 53 <<mother
Jane Vevers 33 <<Sister
Elizabeth Vevers 59 <<Aunt
Barbara J Vevers 30 <<Cousin
Elizabeth H Vevers 4 <<Niece
Mary Vevers 6 <<<<<<<<<<<
Matthew Stubbs 23 <<Servant

Hey Ginny,

This is the list for an open search on Mary Vevers.

1 1948 VEVERS ELLEN MARY F CHANNELKIRK /BERWICK 729/00 0003
2 1895 VEVERS MARY F ALLOA /CLACKMANNAN 465/A0 0357
3 1908 VEVERS MARY MARTIN F CASTLETON /ROXBURGH 784/00 0034
4 1884 VEVERS MARY SCOTT F CANONBIE /DUMFRIES 814/00 0031
5 1934 VEVERS MARY VIOLET F CASTLETON /ROXBURGH 784/00 0012
6 1910 VEVERS MARY WYLIE F HAWICK /ROXBURGH 789/00 0210


Tracey x

edited this as i'm losing the plot.... i'm tired, insomnia is no good for you!

I'll add more relevant data in a min!

T x

Trace

Have you got access to a free search on Scotlands people? Im not registered

See is the little so and so is registered in Scotland
x

Nice to have you'on board' Tracey - I can't get my head round it either !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dea Xxx

I beat you to it.... why i never looked first is beyond me.

I was trying to rule out all other options before i resorted to the same one as you...

It's possible she could be the child of one of Margaret's children?

The child would be born with which ever surname was used previously (or in the case of married female child then name of the husband)?

In that instance 'Mary' could well be on the 1901 census.

I still cannot get my head around the fact Mary was 10 in 1911 but not on the 1901 census!


Tracey x

Possible death???

Deaths Mar 1902
Vickers Mary Grace 0 Newcastle T. 10b 26

Dea x

Rats... :-(

Deaths Mar 1902 - Vickers Mary Grace 0 - Newcastle T. 10b 26

Dea,

I was referring to the Mary Vickers not being on the 1911 census !!

Vickers and Vevers are very close, with accents etc. I cannot at the min find this Mary Grace D Vickers on the 1911, if she's not there then it adds weight to my left of centre thought!


T x

Thanks |Tracey but she WAS on 1911 cencus:

1911:

VEVERS, William Head Married M 58 1853 Bricklayer Cumberland Carlisle
VEVERS, Marget Wife Married 15 years F 54 1857 Scotland Canon Tre Resident
VEVERS, Mary Daughter F 10 1901 School Northumberland N C


Address:
27 Sheraton St Spital Tongues Newcastle on Tyne County:
Northumberland

Two thoughts spring up here:

The mother is Scotish - could she have gone up there to have the baby, or soon after, and registered her there?

Given the ages of the parents, the fact they have been married for 15 years and there is only one child, maybe she was 'adopted' ?

...............

We just can't find her birth!

Thanks for help.

Dea x

A little left of centre...

Births Mar 1902 - Vickers Mary Grace D - Newcastle T. 10b 38

Vevers - Vickers?

I can't find this person as yet on the 1911 census.


T x

EDIT: The only Mary Grace Vickers on the 1911 who comes close to age (3yrs 1908) is this one.

Births Sep 1905 - Vickers Mary Grace - Morpeth 10b 478

1911 Census
Registration District: - Morpeth
VICKERS, Mary Grace Daughter F 3 1908 North Newcastle

Living with parents and siblings.

Can someone else please try and find the 1902 Mary.

T x

I've had a bit of a read through this, and Mary could not have been 10 in 1911 otherwise she'd have been on the 1901 census.

.....or was she an undeclared baby on the census, newly born and they simply forgot about her in the fluster of it all.....(has happened before)?

She may have been born in the 2Q of 1901 and they have 'rounded' her up in age to the nearest one making her 9 in reality but 10 on the paperwork.

I shal scour the list of all the Mary's born Northumberland in 2Q of 1901 and see if i can find a likely candidate. It''s possible with the error on the marriage entry that he didn't know (at the time) how to actually spell his name correctly!


T x

Following on from what Rose posted - I have been looking for a marriage to a 'Sarah' but couldn't find one.

These are the marriages for William which we have already:

Marriages:

Marriages Jun 1871
McCue Jane Carlisle 10b 771
***TARPEY Bridget Carlisle 10b 771
***VEVERS William Carlisle 10b 771
Waterson William Carlisle 10b 771


Marriages Sep 1896
Cook Elizabeth Newcastle T. 10b 61
Dodds Luke Newcastle T 10b 61
***LITTLE Margaret Newcastle T. 10b 61
***Vevrs William Newcastle T. 10b 61
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I had a little look for Bridget Tarpey and found it quite difficult but I did come up with this:

There may be no connection but it is very interesting... ???

1861 England Census
about Bridget Tarpey
Name: Bridget Tarpey
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Female
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: St Mary Within
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:........... Veavers Court *****


Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Tarpey 30
Ann Tarpey 16
Bridget Tarpey 12
Catherine Tarpey 9
Elizabeth Tarpey 7
Ellenor Tarpey 3

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3918; Folio: 11; Page: 14; GSU roll: 543206

*****Veavers Court - head Jane VEVERS - mar ?? 60 Proprietor of Houses - b Carlisle, Cumberland. !!!
................

Jane Vevers died Carlisle 1882.agerd 81 !!!
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Bridget Kirpin
[Bridget Tarpey]
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: English Street
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
Town: Carlisle
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England


Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: Wetheral
ED, institution, or vessel: 9d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
James Higgins 43
Ann Higgins 21
Smith Kirpin 43 Lodger. Labr. b Ireland
Cathrine Kirpin 21 wife b. Ireland
Ann Kirpin 7
Bridget Kirpin 1


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2429; Folio: 537; Page: 8; GSU roll: 87109.

It doesn't really get us anywhere with Mary but I thought I would post it so that people could 'explore'

Dea x

Well spotted Rose - it's certainly them.

I will go and investigate.

Dea x

A little off track but Joy was looking for the death of Bridget....

Who is Sarah? Tempted think it's Bridget but there is a big gap between Toward and Richard.

1891 England Census
about Richard Nevres
Name: Richard Nevres
Age: 5/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne

Civil parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Nevres 40
Sarah Nevres 39
Mary Nevres 19
Mgt Ann Nevres 16
John Nevres 14
William Nevres 12
Toward Nevres 9
Richard Nevres 5/12


Then there's this death:

Deaths Dec 1892
Vevers Sarah 41 Newcastle T. 10b 54a

Rose

Hi Ginny,

Well - it was a strong possibility and you could just as easily have been proved right. Shame though, for Joy's sake that it wasn't correct.

Anyway, we will just have to start again from the beginning won't we?

We will get there in the end.

Dea x

P.S. - I would prefer the fruit salad sweetie please - the Blackjacks make your lips and teeth all 'purply' !!

Dea x

Dea

Thanks for the update.

I now owe you one Black Jack....I was wrong and you were right.

But hey thats what this business is all about, looking, guessing and buying certificates to be proved wrong grrrrr

Back to the drawing board then, but not back to giving up...the answer is out there somewhere

x

I suspect this is why we couldn't find that Mary Lee on 1911 - I think she must be one of the 'daughters'
referred to below? Was Samuel a Gas Stoker' on the birth cert?

LEE, Samuel Head Married 11 years M 38 1873 Gas Stoker In Ireland Co Antrim Resident
LEE Wife F 38 1873 In Ireland Co Antrim Resident
LEE Daughter F 10 1901 School Newcastle upon Tyne
LEE Daughter F 9 1902 School Newcastle upon Tyne

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30585 Reference:
RG14PN30585 RG78PN1753 RD558 SD3 ED7 SN87

Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District:
Elswick Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Elswick

Address:
15 Gloucester Street and 89 Sycamone St Newcastle upon Tyne County:
Northumberland

Married 11 years - 4 children (2 living + 2 died).

I will go and find my notes on this and start again. !!

Dea x