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ATT LADYKIRA re Henry Smith 1841 Bethnal Green

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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 17:44

1861 England Census
about Eliza Broomhead
Name: Eliza Broomhead
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green St Matthew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon the Zealot
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 208
Household Members: Name Age
James Broomhead 45
Eliza Broomhead 45
Caroline Broomhead 17
William Broomhead 11
Henry Broomhead 8
James Broomhead 5


Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 17:39

Sorry, so many things to double check and confirm. The last 3 posts are all correct. They are all confirmed relatives.
Because of all of the help, posts are being submitted as we are replying to earlier ones.
I stated in the opening that I was able to find Henry Smith in the 1841 and 1851 census, but needed help working out which one was the correct one. I really do think you are right in your research, but I have to be sure.
I am now trying to find deaths of Henry Smiths at a young age, this would explain why they can't be found in the 1851 census.

OK, I have found 10 Henry Smith deaths in Bethnal Green between 1841 and 1851. Problem is, it doesn't state their ages.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 17:33

1881 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 52, Brook Street, Hackney
SMITH, Henry Head Married M 40 1841 Shopkeeper
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 40 1841
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 20 1861 Plasterer
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, John Son Single M 19 1862 Plasterer
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 15 1866 Helps In Shop
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alice Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alfred Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter Single F 0 1881
Bethnal Green
Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 17:32

1891 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 13, The Grove, Hackney, South Hackney

SMITH, Henry Head Married M 50 1841 Grocer
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 50 1841
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 30 1861 Cheese Monger
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, John Son Single M 29 1862 Waiter
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Lizzie Daughter Single F 25 1866 Boot Machinist
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Alfred Son Single M 15 1876 Errand Boy
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Homerton
London

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 17:30

Well I do not know what to say. The same two addresses are coming up again and again in the census baptisms and marriages offered you. I thoght you acknowledged the Smith /Broomhead marriage. as correct.
I did ask you for some confirmed data at the beginning of your thread but you did not answer my request.



1901 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 13, The Grove, Hackney
SMITH, Henry Head M 60 1841 Grocer's Shop Keeper
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife F 60 1841
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son M 40 1861 Plasterers Labourer
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter F 26 1875 Packer & Sorter In Laundry
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter F 20 1881 Packer & Sorter In Laundry
Homerton
London VIEW
CASUNS, Lilian Grand Daughter F 8 1893
Homerton
London

1911 census -
Address: 30 Church Hill Road Homerton
SMITH, Henry Head Married M 70 1841 Retired Grocer London Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married
51 years F 70 1841 Assisting In The Business London Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 50 1861 Potman Li Victualler London Homerton VIEW
JASON, Harriett H Daughter Widow F 36 1875 Packer Sorter In Laundry London Homerton VIEW
JASON, Charles Grandson M 4 1907 London W Hth VIEW
C, Lilian Elizabeth Visitor Single F 18 1893 London Homerton

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 17:04

Great research Kira, but it still may not be the Henry Smith I need...unless I'm too tired to see the obvious.

The 1851 census is pretty clearcut, Only 1 Henry Smith born at and living in Bethnal Green.

But 1841 census has 3...

Name Henry Smith
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Address Crab Tree Row
District Bethnal Green, Hackney Road
Parish St Matthew Bethnal Green
Administrative County Middlesex
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

Name Henry Smith
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Address Ravencroft Street
District Bethnal Green, Hackney Road
Parish St Matthew Bethnal Green
Administrative County Middlesex
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

Name Henry Smith
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Address Ely Place
District Bethnal Green, The Green
Parish St Matthew Bethnal Green
Administrative County Middlesex
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

So can you see my hesitation.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 16:37

All of these correspond with

1871 census - household transcription
Person: BROOMHEAD, William
Address: Ely Place, Bethnal Green, London
BROOMHEAD, William Head M 21 1850 Middlesex VIEW
BROOMHEAD, Elizabeth Wife F 23 1848 London VIEW
BROOMHEAD, Eliza Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex


1851 census -
Address: 2, Ely Place, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
SMITH, Fredrick Head Married M 50 1801 Cordwainer
East Dereham
Norfolk VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 33 1818
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 14 1837
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Unmarried M 10 1841
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, John Son Unmarried M 8 1843
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, David Son Unmarried M 4 1847
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 1 1850
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, William Son Unmarried M 29 1822 Cordwainer
Bethnal Green

1841 census -
Address: Ely Place, St Matthew Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
SMITH, Frederick M 40 1801 VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth F 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, William M 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alfred M 13 1828 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry M 0 (6 months) 1841 Middlesex

They lived just two doors away in 1851

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 16:36

There are also two Janes with parents Frederick and Elizabeth who may have died young,

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 16:34

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0


ALFRED RIGBY SMITH Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth: 18 JUN 1827

Christening: 18 JUN 1843 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England

Parents:
Father: FREDERICK SMITH Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C046984

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 16:31

ELIZA ELIZABETH SMITH Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth: 06 NOV 1836

Christening: 01 JUL 1838 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England

Parents:
Father: FREDERICK SMITH Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
C046984

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 16:30

JOHN SMITH Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth: 25 MAY 1843

Christening: 18 JUN 1843 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England
Parents:
Father: FREDERICK SMITH Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

C046984

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 16:28

EMMA SMITH Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth: 22 OCT 1849

Christening: 18 NOV 1849 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England


Parents:
Father: FREDERICK SMITH Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

C046984

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 16:27

DAVID THOMAS SMITH Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 24 AUG 1847

Christening: 24 OCT 1847 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England

Parents:
Father: FREDERICK SMITH Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C046984

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 16:26

In the same batch

HENRY SMITH Pedigree
Male


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth: 28 NOV 1840

Christening: 20 DEC 1840 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England


Parents:
Father: FREDERICK SMITH Family
Mother: ELIZTH.
No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C046984

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 16:23

Look at the adress,

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 16:22

CAROLINE MARY ANN BROOMHEAD Pedigree
Female

Birth: 21 APR 1843

Christening: 18 JUN 1843 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England


Parents:
Father: JAMES BROOMHEAD Family
Mother: ELIZA

C046984

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 16:14

Thankyou very much Kira. Lots of info there. I just wish I could be certain that is the correct family. Chances are good that it is, but too much info to add then find out it was the wrong family.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 15:59

Marriages Dec 1868 (>99%)
Broomhead William Mackay Bethnal Green 1c 470
Piper Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 470

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 15:57

1871 census - household transcription
Person: BROOMHEAD, William
Address: Ely Place, Bethnal Green, London
BROOMHEAD, William Head M 21 1850 Middlesex VIEW
BROOMHEAD, Elizabeth Wife F 23 1848 London VIEW
BROOMHEAD, Eliza Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 15:49

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
BROOMHEAD Caroline Mary Ann Bethnal Gn 1c 577
Burnett George Charles Bethnal Gn 1c 577
Starkey William Bethnal Gn 1c 577
WEAVER Emma Bethnal Gn 1c 577