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Re Josph Warwick born Montreal 1821
Looking for clarification of a 1841 census look up for Joseph Warwick please.
When Joseph returned from Canada ( c 1838) he did not settle in Leeds with the rest of his family. I think I have found him on the 1841 census living in St Mary Lambeth 107/1058/11/25/15. There is a Joseph Warwick aged 20 listed as a "white smith."
The copy I have access to is quite faint and I had to scroll back several pages to find a possible address. It looks like "Pleasant or Pheasant Place? " So far as I can see he is living on his own??
I am trying to establish a locale for Joseph in my search for the 1841 residence of his future wife Emily Elliott ( m Shoreditch 1849) and her sister Elizabeth Elliott. Elizabeth Elliott married Charles Wilford (Welford) at St Marys Haggrstown in 1845, Charles is my paternal great great grandfather .
Thanks in advance for any help

Hi Janey,
Good to hear from you, have I really come up with one of your Canadian connections? How clever and I wasn't even trying just poking about at Heritage Canada.
Talking of heritage another of my finds is .......
http://www8.cpr.ca/cms/English/General+Public/Heritage/Graphic+Arts+Gallery/default.htm
where I found a lot of marvellous Canadian Pacific Railway posters etc.

And of course I should have added --

"His Excellency the Right Honourable Charles Stanley Viscount Monck, Baron Monck of Ballytrammon, in the County of Wexford, in the Peerage of Ireland, and Baron Monck of Ballytrammon, in the County of Wexford, in the Peerage of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, Governor General of Canada, &c., &c., &c."

-- that there is "my" 5th Viscount, the one whose black sheep younger brother was supposedly the father of my gr-grfather Ernest Augustus Hill, whose younger sister was Ada Lennox Monck Hill, born in 1854 mere weeks after the Viscount's actual unmarried younger brother was killed at Alma, having been stationed in Portsmouth prior to that ... both Ernest and Ada having changed their surname to Monck sometime 1871-1881 (she married as Monck 1875, he was Monck by the 1881 census).

My Canadian connection (heh heh) predates my immediate family's presence in Canada by several decades. ;)

Mr Bean connection ...
I've had several "hot matches" to Guy Warwick (b Canada) descendants and a little pocket of Bean/Warwick/Amos/ Eyles connections. I deleted a few for Edward Bean (b Spitalfields Mdx c 1831) but I am now wondering if they were better matches than I thought. One I followed up on turns out to have Warwick matches as well. The "match maker" ignored the Warwick connections.
One small gripe... a number of trees I've been given access to for connections to both the Warwick and other family trees have complete birth dates but no locations at all so very hard to make any kind of educated guess. So please add what you know even if it's only BMD registration district before sharing any trees.

Happy Birthday Canada , today is our official birthday.

Below is a copy of the proclamation issued in 1868.
"By His Excellency the Right Honourable Charles Stanley Viscount Monck, Baron Monck of Ballytrammon, in the County of Wexford, in the Peerage of Ireland, and Baron Monck of Ballytrammon, in the County of Wexford, in the Peerage of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, Governor General of Canada, &c., &c., &c.

To all to whom these presents shall come, or whom the same may concern -- GREETING:

JOHN A. MACDONALD, Min. of Justice.

WHEREAS by Royal Proclamation dated at Windsor Castle on the 22nd day of May, in the year of our Lord 1867, Her Most Gracious Majesty did ordain, declare, and command, that on and after the 1st day of July, 1867, the Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick should form and be one Dominion under the name of Canada;

AND WHEREAS the anniversary of the formation of the Dominion of Canada falls upon Wednesday, the 1st day of July next ensuing:

AND WHEREAS it is meet and proper that the said Anniversary should be observed and kept;

NOW KNOW YE, that I, Charles Stanley Viscount Monck, Governor General of Canada, do hereby proclaim and appoint WEDNESDAY, the FIRST day of JULY next, as the day on which the Anniversary of the formation of the Dominion of Canada be duly celebrated. And I do hereby enjoin and call upon all Her Majesty's loving subjects throughout Canada to join in the due and proper celebration of the said Anniversary on the said FIRST day of JULY next.

Given under my Hand and Seal at Arms, at the Government House, in the

CITY of OTTAWA, in the said Dominion, this TWENTIETH day of JUNE, in the year of Our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-eight and in the thirty-first year of Her Majesty's Reign.

MONCK.

BY COMMAND,

HECTOR L. LANGEVIN, Secretary of State "

I wonder how the Warwicks who remained in Canada participated in any celebration.

This year HM Liz and D of E Phil are in Ottawa where the noon day entertainment includes a young Innu from Northern Quebec who sings Jamaican reggae!.

I'll keep further speculation about Guy Rogers off line as it now involves living people.
Back to the past ...
I've been looking at records on www.theshipslist.com and I'm tracking the early days of the Warwick family in Montreal through some of the references such as ....
" July 9 1817 ship Commerce J. Wilson 7 weeks Liverpool Mr & Miss Warwick and Mr Coffin, and 37 in steerage, "

"Steam ship Malsham - 4th trip up, Quebec to Montreal 22nd September 1822

Full Heading Titles showing abbreviations in bold:
Ticket Number No. | Passengers Names Names | Cabin C | Steerage St | (destinations) Three Rivers 3R | Sorel S | Montreal M | Amount (of fare in £/s/d) F | Amount Paid (in £/s/d) P | Remarks Remarks

No. Names C St 3R S M F P Remarks

B 1 Mr. Warwick x x 2/10/-
2 Masters' Warwick (two under 12 years) x x 2/10/- "
It's another wonderful site full of information about life in Montreal in the early 19th century culled from various sources

Yes I believe it was the famous Charles. Vicki Baum is probably most famous for writing the book "Grand Hotel". Best source of info is www.imdb.com
Guy born around 1910 is a great great grandson of William Warwick and Alice Chisholm. We'll certainly look to see what connection he might have to the chair at U of York. Presumably the postcard business was profitable as a number of the Warwick clan travelled. If he wanted to name drop also on board was the Marchioness of Blandford who married into the Spencer Churchill family.

The Charles Laughton and Elsa Lanchester?

http://www.cultsirens.com/lanchester/lanchester.htm

What fun!

And this Guy Warwick Rogers?

http://www.cac.yorku.ca/graduate.html

"the Guy Warwick Rogers Chair in Atmospheric Chemistry (held by Prof. Harris)."

Vicki Baum I didn't know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicki_Baum

Now, they weren't all in the same suite, were they? ;)

Working from the premise that William Warwick and Alice Chisholme's son William (1833- 1880) founded the postcard company about a hundred further "relatives" in Canada are now on my family tree.
A wonderful resource in following up citations were the passengers lists and Canada 30A forms and through them I picked up three more probable relatives for my contacts to look at and confirm.
My favourite passenger list so far is SS Europa 1932 with Guy Warwick Rogers travelling in the company of Vicki Baum and Charles and Elsa Laughton.

I've finally keyed all the wonderful information I received from Wendy and two other sources and have a fairly good grasp on the Warwick family who returned to England. I think I've added about a hundred names to my tree and now I can turn my attention to William Warwick the postcard manufacturer.I've been given three different versions of his parentage so I'll be checking with my sources to see if we can come up with a consensus.
Meanwhile the connection between Wendy and myself is through my paternal great great grandfather Joseph (1821) and his brother Guy (1823) who is her maternal great great grandfather as we thought. Thanks for the on line help .

The Warwick postcard company of Toronto was started around 1848 by the William Warwick who remained in Canada. The following link gives all the details.
http://torontopostcardclub.com/canadian-postcard-manufacturer-lists/warwick-bros-rutter/

I've had a response from Wendy and we're working out our precise connection. She tells me the Warwicks were also involved in postcards and publishing so I'll share that tidbit later when I know more.

No reponse from Wendy yet but some help from my Canadian contact. Our Warwick family was mentioned on a 1728 settlement certificate in Yorkshire. I looked up "settlement certificates"on Genuki as I wasn't completely sure what they are. There's a good basic explanation on the site.
If anybody has any experience in accessing settlement certificates I'd appreciate knowing a bit more about finding them.

I'm back within internet contact and will try to check in regularly. I have just pm'd Wendy and will let you all know our connection when we sort it out. While I was in communication limbo I was in the UK for a while and met my very first 5 lost cousins, four of us have a mutual great great grandfather from three different offspring and the fourth is descended from his sister. What an amazing experience!! Fortunately one of the cos has been working on her tree for about10 years and another had a relative who kept all kinds of documents and photos although none of our gggf. Let's hope I am as lucky with the Warwicks.

Well that's great -- and that's why we always say Don't delete threads or posts in threads! You never do know who might happen by, that they will help. And who might also have help to offer.

When you two get it sorted out, do let us know how-many-th cousins, how many times removed, you figure out you are. ;)

Thanks Janey - have sent an e-mail but just wanted to say thank you to you and Margaret for your thread - I have found so many new leads from the info you posted re my Canadian ancestors and its so good of you both to spend time finding solutions and answers for others.

W

Well there's an amazement! A real living relation has seen the thread - that's not something that happens here often. ;)

I'm just adding because Janet has said she is very occupied at the moment and will be back to her thread infrequently - so Wendy, do click on her name and send her a private message (she should get notice of that by email). I'm sure she'll be quite thrilled to hear from you!

Hi

Joseph Warwick (born in Leeds 1863), son of Guy William Warwick(born in Montreal in 1826) is my maternal great-grandfather. I have an extensive tree (UK based) relating to the Warwicks on the ancestry.co.uk website which I'm happy to give access to if you are members?

WS - England

I think there's a possibility Ann Bell was married to Richard Warwick and accompanied her sons Joseph and Guy senior and William to Canada as Richard died in Leeds around 1813. I have been given some information indicating Ann's father was Sam Bell but haven't seen the source yet.

I won't be returning to the board for about six weeks but .....
If you visit this board after investigating a "hot match" the key to the possibility of a connection is that you have a relative born in Canada and a match through the Drouin records. The UK census links have been fairly useful particularly for following up on Drouin records. So far no Warwick hot match indicates any connection to Canada.
If Joseph and Guy Warwick were operating the Phoenix Foundry in Montreal in 1817 a couple of the possible older siblings for Joseph Warwick ( b Canada 1821) mentioned in the thread have to be researched further.
Thanks once again for all the help.