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It's a long time since I posted an update, can't believe how the time flies. Just recently I met up with a Warwick connection in Canada and met his mother and daughter for the first time. Last year when I was visiting the U.K. I met another cousin from the Warwicks who returned to the UK.

I will pm you MGNV but I thought this might be useful public encouragement. Hopefully anyone looking at this thread for the first time will trace it from the first entry.
I have quoted Drouin records to folks I have been in touch with because it is the best source of info about early settlers particularly in Quebec. The amount of detail is so helpful. I don't have an Ancestry subscription contenting myself with a guest registration for another tree. I spent a lot of time at the library in early days so I'll look through all my notes to see if you have given me anything I missed. Another couple of trips to the library might be needed. I've recently looked at Mundia's public trees as well because they can be useful in confirming a few histories of the family once most of them returned to the UK. It has just occurred to me that I ignored the Warwicks who were associated with the garrison and perhaps I shouldn't have so I will definitely look them over again.
Mundia gave me a connection to someone on the Warwick line I had been hoping to contact for two years!!
I think that since I first started searching a lot of sites have added a translation link which is definitely an asset to my limited French.

An interesting site, that. I partiularly liked:
http://www.griffintown.org/history/docs/docGriffintownGolrooMoffarahi.pdf

I also tried a look up of Warwick at:
http://www.banq.qc.ca/collections/genealogie/inst_recherche_ligne/index.html
État civil
Baptêmes non catholiques de la région de Montréal, 1766-1835
Mariages non catholiques de la région de Montréal, 1766-1899 [2 look-ups - as bride and as groom]
Sépultures non catholiques de la région de Montréal, 1767-1899

I found most of these - the one I note particularly is:
b 4/2/1826 George Edward Warwick (bp 14/5/1826 s/o Joseph(founder) & Elizabeth) - The sponsors are Guy Warwick, William Warwick, the child's paternal uncles and Ann Warwick, the child's paternal aunt.

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=CANADA
Quebec, Non-Catholic Parish Registers, 1763-1967 > Montréal > Church of England in Cana...a Christ Church Cathedral > Baptisms, marriages, burials 1819-1828 > Image 989 of 1330


I imagine you have access to, say, Ancestry's Druin collection, so I won't pursue this further here, but I'll pm the details I have in case I guessed wrong re your Ancestry access and you need free stuff from FS.

Thanks, I had found the more easily accessible stuff although I don't think I had read the descriptive sketch before.
My guess is that possibly the foundry was in this area .......
http://www.griffintown.org/maps/images/Map1823.jpg
There's some more interesting info at the Griffintown site but there is so much else I ought to be doing!!

An alphabetical list of the merchants, traders, and housekeepers residing in Montreal [microform] : to which is prefixed a descriptive sketch of the town (1899)
Description
"A limited edition of 300 copies ... an exact copy of the Original Montreal Directory, published by Thomas Doige in the year 1819."
http://archive.org/details/cihm_21072

What you want is:
http://archive.org/stream/cihm_21072#page/n189/mode/1up

The only online old map I kknow of is 1895:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/electoral-atlas/index-e.html

The 1901 census districts for the Ile de Montreal were:
(working clockwise round the shore from 12 o'clock)
163 – Laval
178 – Montréal (City) [Ste Marie]
176 – Montréal (City) [St James]
174 – Montréal (City) [Ste Anne]
155 – Hochelaga [with Westmount]
157 – Jacques-Cartier
then Laval again
The interior districts were (working downtown to NW)
175 – Montréal (City) [St Antoine]
167 – Maisonneuve
177 – Montréal (City) [St Laurent]
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx

Thanks "Mgnv" ....
I found using the contrast option gave me a better look. I am still in search of a decent map of Montreal in the relevant time period but I suspect it's one of those times when I need to visit one of the archives in person. This is normally a good plan because you never know what you may find out in "real' conversation!

Janey not sure if you are watching stillbut two years later I am still in awe of your talents. I had to look back into a journal of a trip I made to the UK in April 2008 to confirm that a visit to a library in London gave me my first hint of my Canadian roots.

Since the initial posting, FS has added some early censuses (with images) -see:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=CANADA
Of interest here are:
Canada, Lower Canada Census, 1825 30 Aug 2012
Canada, Lower Canada Census, 1831 18 Feb 2012
Canada, Lower Canada Census, 1842 16 Feb 2012
although with a typical American sense of geography, FS has mislabelled the 1842 census for Canada East.

LAC has recently added them, too.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx

There are bits missing from all these censuses, including all of Montreal in 1831.

I found this:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KHJD-1BQ [with image link]
Jos is aged 40-60 and his wife 14-45.

Incidentally, in order to read the column headers, I had too really magnify the image, and the LAC images got pixelated at high resolution, so I looked at the downloaded file sizes:

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1825/jpg/004569588_00646.jpg [399 KB]
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1825/pdf/004569588_00646.pdf [537 KB]
and the FS file has 2585KB - which explains why it had better resolution at very high magnification.


Annuaires Lovell de Montréal et sa banlieue (1842-1999) is a directory for Montreal and its suburbs. It's available at:
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/

Getting on for two years later no new cousins but I have been in touch with the author of the book that mentions the Warwicks and Phoenix Foundry and he has very kindly offered to look up his research notes. Unfortunately I've never been able to get in touch with Wendy again and update her on information.

This summer I "published" my first "Canadian Souvenir Postcard" in celebration of my Warwick connection and in honour of Mary Pickford....

Has it been this long -- Sep 2010?? ;)

How amazing. You'll soon be drowning in cousins!

Oh, and you're very welcome. ;)

Warwick Postcard Manufacturers Toronto.....
Today I visited the annual Toronto postcard show, hoping to find more information about Warwick cards.
What I didn't expect that within a half hour of arriving I would meet a direct descendant of William and thus one of my "lost cousins", and the first Canadian one I've met.
A new book about the various series of Warwick postcards was just published on Friday. Over 7,000 designs have been documented and they range from the mundane to the truly beautiful. I was overwhelmed by the choice at this show and have yet to decide what theme to pick .
Anybody interested in more info can p.m. me .
Janey if you're still follwing this thread thanks again for kick starting me on my Canadian "roots" quest.

Janet - sorry, I didn't notice your prompt response - I thought the 1:09 time was mine when I checked "my threads"

Anyway, although I've sometimes seen a search box for images in the right margin of the Ancestry search screen, I don't recall when I get it - there's usually ads there. Go to any image for the right census year - the 1881 Chas Jm Bashford I posted has above the top brown margin bar of the image:
"London > Lambeth > Lambeth Church Second > District 34 > 29 "
Click on any of the links in that, and you'll get to navigate to the enumerator's sheet for any place.

Just bumping my own thread for Laura . We might have a connection back around the 1730's. Looks tenuous but who knows?
I'm a bit frustrated that nobody on the far flung Warwick tree but Wendy has acknowledged connections we've made to each other. It would help to keep the thread interesting.

Thanks mgnv
Which census source did you use to find the enumerator's notes ? I knew I'd seen them somewhere but now I can't remember where!!

Thanks Janey,
After I'd put my message up I remembered the National Archives, Your Archives Historical Streets project and found Pleasant Place here's the link...
http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Lambeth_Registration_District,_1841_Census_Street_Index_P-S
I think if I'm reading it properly much of Pleasant Place would later be Brook Street.
Anyway I'm hoping if I look at a few of the places associated with Joseph and Charles I might work out more about all three families. Charles is a real problem as in 1841 at 15 he is already living on his own as an apprentice butcher.

Starting with an1881addy look-up:

1881 Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Chas. Jm. BASHFORD Head M Male 23 Lambeth Janiter At Gas Works
Alice M. BASHFORD Wife M Female 25 Lambeth
Harriet BASHFORD Dau Female 3 Lambeth
Ellen Maud BASHFORD Dau Female 9 m Lambeth
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Dwelling 1 Pleasant Place
Census Place Lambeth, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341137
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0598 / 57
Page Number 28

Enumerator's sheet from
Lambeth > Lambeth Church Second > District 34

"... the west side of Barrett Street, otherwise Vauxhall
Street, from Jonathan Street to Tyers Terrace,
the north side of Tyers Terrace from Vauxhall
Street to Neville Street, the East side of Neville
Street from Tyers Terrace to Neville Place
including Pleasant Place...."

So I put Pleasant Pl in a box bounded by Jonathan St, Vauxhall St,
Tryers Terr, Tyers St (all of which still exist).

Got some stuff.

Google

"pleasant place" lambeth uk

http://booth.lse.ac.uk/cgi-bin/do.pl?sub=retrieve_catalogue_notebook&args=b365

This is the well-known police notebook, I think.


B365, p3 Vauxhall Walk, Jonathan Street, Pleasant Place, Wickham Street, Tyers Street, Glynn Street, Auckland Street.
Display digitised image of this page
View approximate location on map

I don't see it on the modern map ...

http://booth.lse.ac.uk/cgi-bin/do.pl?sub=view_booth_and_barth&args=531047,178942,2,large,1

The second-choice modern map does have Vauxhall Walk (north-south) and Jonathan St (east-west) and Tyers Ter (below Jonathan St).

http://booth.lse.ac.uk/cgi-bin/do.pl?sub=view_booth_and_barth&args=530633,178346,2,large,1

So I think that puts you pretty close to where he was probably.

Hm, how many pages did you scroll back?? Ne'er mind, I'll do it, sigh ... ;)

Phew, those are some crappy images.

Tip - in Options, unselect "advanced images". Sometimes eliminating the contrast lets you see the greys better.

Yup, Pleasant or Pheasant Place ...

Zooming way in, I'm tending to Pheasant.

Google modern maps doesn't recognize either one in Lambeth, or South Street, the other one on page 2 of 12.

Great help.