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Here we go Dee:

Have now sorted out further enquiries. Hope this one will put the Briaris family to bed.
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I have marriage details - would appreciate baptisms (if they were baptised of course).
Marriages Jun 1892
BRIARIS Walter St. Saviour
ROWLES Emily Margaret

Births Mar 1895
Briaris Emily Matilda Camberwell

Births Jun 1897
Briaris Edith Ethel St. Saviour (died 1898 aged 1)
Briaris Elsie Victoria

Births Mar 1904 I've only just found this one - no idea where she fits.
Briaris May Elson R Southwark

Births Jun 1905
Briaris May Elizabeth Southwark
Briaris Walter John
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Do not seem to have allocated this birth to any particular branch yet:

Births Sep 1902
Briaris Beatrice Alice Southwark but suspect she is on the line from the Arthur who married Beatrice Copos.

I'll pop this one in as well - she is descended from Matilda Briaris's daughter Kitty who married William Devitt.

Marriages Jun 1912
Devitt Kitty E Windsor Greenwich
Windsor John P Greenwich (maybe this is not within scope of records but expect you'll tell me).

Thanks
Jeanie

PS I'll pop back later. I'm all behind - dogs at the door with leads in their mouths!

Edit: Popped back to tell you I've just discovered some notes I made ages ago which were buried. Two more Marriages
Mar 1908 Harry Briaris married Emma Record or Lucy Weaver?
Mar 1910 George Briaris married Alice Sarah Young or Rhoda Young??? Both St. Olave.

Hi Dee

As you say, poor girl! My first was relatively quick and fairly easy I thought. Complications set in later - so perhaps it is not the best thing to be quick. I do sympathise with her anyway.

I'll go and get my long list of other Briaris queries now.

All my best
Jeanie

Hi Jeanie,

Still waiting... poor girl, I really don't envy her.

Anyway I will be about alittle today, so if your pop your other queries on I'll have a look about for you.

I'll catch up with you privately soon.


Dee x

Hi Dee

Very glad to hear your news. Hope all goes smoothly. My day has been quite eventful too but unfortunately not in a welcome way. Will fill you in sometime.

This is first opportunity to check my threads since before you posted this morning.

You've certainly found more than I did. You've given me quite a deal to study as per usual. I'll go away and digest it.

I'll leave posting my last little batch as I expect you will have better things to do but if you do want to get the last little bit out of your Ancestry let me know.

Best regards to you all.

Jeanie

Jeanie............... just got news, Baby is on the way!!!! Whoop whoop!!!


Dee x

Looking for Edward born to Alfred and Matilda,

I only see 2 possibles on the 1901;

1901 England Census
about Edward Briars
Name: Edward Briars
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Borough, London, England

Civil parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Scaffolder

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 175

Too many others to list, maybe a Boarding House?




1901 England Census
about Edward Briars
Name: Edward Briars
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints North Peckham
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Woodyard labourer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 274
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Nulbrourn 61
Vivian Taylor 16
Edward Briars 31


I don't see a marriage for him either.



Dee x

This looks like Arthur Edwards death, sadly I don't see a marriage for him;

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Arthur E H Briaris
Name: Arthur E H Briaris
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 23
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 768



Looking at the 1901 census, he has 2 brothers Alfred J... no baptism and Percy C (Copas).... no baptism for him, just a marriage.





Dee x

Morning Jeanie,

Got my PC until the kids wake up, had a late naight last night so hopefully they'll still be in bed for another hour.... fingers crossed.

STILL no baby, expectant Mum is getting very fed up now.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Arthur Briaris
Name: Arthur Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 2 Dec 1887
Father's Name: William Briaris >> Labourer
Mother's Name: Ellen Briaris
Parish: St Mary, Rotherhithe
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

DOB 8th April 1887.

Address; 17 Rotherhithe Street


Annoying but I can only see this 1 baptism!!




London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Arthur Briaris
Name: Arthur Briaris >> Tea Blender
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Spouse Name: Harriett Martha Berber
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jun 1911
Parish: St Mary, Rotherhithe
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Briaris >> Carman
Spouse Father Name: William James Berber >> Deceased, no occupation given


Address for Arthur; 3 Amity (?) Street.

Address for Harriett; 88 Clarence Street


Witnesses; Herbert William Dear and Isabella Briaris





Dee xx

Hi Dee

I've popped back on a few times since earlier post. Can I take it congratulations are in order?

Jeanie

Dee

Nearly time for mid-morning dog walk but I'll pop this on now in case you've got your PC back! I'll pop back on the thread later because I've got another little batch to keep you going until the 14th but I've a little more sorting to do first.

I seem to have got in a stew with all my Briaris's. I've got more than one Arthur in my tree (of course) from census records and I seem to have married off poor Harriet to two of them. Would you be kind enough to find Births & the Marriage so I can put it straight.

Marriages Jun 1911
Barber Harriet M
Briaris Arthur St. Olave

Births Jun 1887
Briaris Arthur St. Olave - There is a marriage date against this one of 04/06/1911 on my tree but no place - Can only assume this was from information given to me by a friend who told me of someone else researching same family.

Births Sep 1891
Briaris Arthur Edward St Saviour

Births Mar 1863
BRIARIS Arthur St George S Know this one married Beatrice Copas because you got me the Marriage details.

Thanks in advance
Jeanie

Good gracious - lost my community name again! I only looked at My Account to change settings on something else!!!

Set it again.

Should say I'm okay with the rest of this family - it is only Edward that seems to go missing.

Edit

Know you're missing your PC Dee - so I'll come back on here tomorrow.

Thanks again Dee

Really strange that son of Alfred and Matilda not found. Here are census records I have.


1871 census
BRIARIS Alfred Head 48 1823 Middlesex
BRIARIS Matilda Wife 38 Berkshire
BRIARIS Arthur Son 9 1862 Surrey
BRIARIS Hetty Dau. 7 1864 Surrey (Kitty)
BRIARIS Edward Son 2 1869 Surrey
BRIARIS Walter Son 0 1871 Surrey

1881 census
Alfred BRIARES Head 58 St. Giles Middlesex England Brush Maker
Matilda BRIARES Wife 48 Hungerford, Berkshire England Laundress
Arthur BRIARES Son 18 Southwark, Surrey, England Labourer
Matilda BRIARES Dau 16 Southwark, Surrey, England
Edward BRIARES Son 12 Southwark, Surrey, England
Walter BRIARES Son 10 Southwark, Surrey, England
327 Weston St Census Place Southwark, St. George Martyr, Surrey England

1891 census
BRIARIS, Matilda Head Widow F 54 1837 Hungerford Berkshire
BRIARIS, Edward Son Single M 23 1868 Leather Dresser Bermondsey London
BRIARIS, Walter Son M 20 1871 Railway Porter Southwark London
DEVITT, Kitty Daughter Married F 27 1864 Southwark London
DEVITT, Matilda Granddaughter F 1 1890 Camberwell London

Matilda still alive and on 1901.

Do not remember marrying him off either. Understand about the young ones needing their social networking. I think I'd miss it now.

Anything further you can add to above info (any time - at your convenience) would be great. If I have to leave him uncompleted it cannot be helped.

Enjoy your weekend.

Jeanie

Jeanie.... you're far from a dunce and you know it, so looking at the baptisms;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward Briaris
Name: Edward Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 Oct 1869
Father's Name: Henry Edward Briaris >> Carman
Mother's Name: Cecilia Briaris
Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Address; 6 Amelia Street

DOB 25th Sept 1869




London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward Albert Briaris
Name: Edward Albert Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 1 Aug 1886
Father's Name: Henry Edwin Briaris >. Carman
Mother's Name: Susan Caroline Briaris
Parish: All Saints, Rotherhithe
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Address; 3 Railway Avenue, Adam Street

DOB 1st Jan 1885



I can't see a baptism for;
Births Sep 1868
BRIARIS Edward Bermondsey Son of Alfred and Matilda



had a look at the burials and I couldn't see one for Emma.


Got to go, kids want back on.... they need their social networking, even though they have their mobiles!!!


Dee x

According to my tree Emma Briaris died 1905.

Other Edwards as follows:

Births Sep 1868
BRIARIS Edward Bermondsey Son of Alfred and Matilda I think
Births Dec 1869
BRIARIS Edward St Olave Son of Henry Edwin and Celia I think
Births Mar 1885
BRIARIS Edward Albert St Olave Bermondsey Son of Henry Ed, Jnr and Susan Caroline Staff I think.

Your help with Parish Records can make things so much clearer for me. You know what a dunce I am.

Thanks a million
Jeanie

Hi Jeanie,

just popped on to check my threads;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward William Briaris
Name: Edward William Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Feb 1896
Father's Name: Edward Briaris >> Labourer
Mother's Name: Emma Briaris
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Address; 11 Brandon Street.



Dee x

Helpers seem to have better things to do on this lovely day. Not surprised. I'll nudge up later.

Yes I'm still here at the moment. In UK.

You've done it again. I've no sooner put my post on than there's loads more.

Will go and read it properly now.

Thank you so much

Jeanie.

Possibly Amy's death;

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Amy Cooper
Name: Amy Cooper
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 75
District: St Pancras (1902-1977)
County: Greater London, London
Volume: 1b
Page: 84




I'm in the UK Jeanie, so I presume we are on the same time line?




Dee x

Another gold star for Dee. That's got to be him. Found Alfred at last. Started in July last year on this journey. Thought with the most unusual name in the family I had to be onto a good thing! As you will see perhaps the unusual name made it so difficult for transcribers it has been quite a difficult one to crack.

Real disappointment this morning. No post! Ordered a M/C on 27th March, paid by debit card. Money taken Monday last week - still no Certificate! Think it is probably the right one this time as I put a check on his father's name and I didn't get a refund - but I do get a little impatient to see the evidence with my own eyes.

If it's right I can then move on to the last remaining White brother who is unfinished at the moment.

Would welcome a personal message from you. It seems some things are wisest not posted on open forum.

Regards
Jeanie