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A couple of years out but maybe a possible?



1901 England Census
about Herbert Watkinson
Name: Herbert Watkinson
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Arthur
Mother's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Netherthorpe Sheffield St Anne
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:206 St Philips Road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Watkinson 42 Bone Cutter (employer)born Sheffield, Yorkshire,
Fanny Watkinson 38 wife born Dronfield, Derbyshire,
Herbert Watkinson 12 son born Sheffield, Yorkshire
Arthur Whiteaker 27 Boarder
James Taylor 25 Boarder
Ernest Swions 22 Boarder
Rhys Evans 24 Boarder


Then again..........maybe not?

1911 census transcription details for: 33 Fountain Square
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN27881 RG78PN1595 RD510 SD2 ED14 SN304

Reg. District: Sheffield Sub District: North Sheffield
Parish: Sheffield Enum. District: 14
Address: 33 Fountain Square
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
WATKINSON, John Arthur Head Married
24 years M 50 1861 Wood Handle Sawyer Yorks Sheffield
WATKINSON, Fanny Wife Married F 48 1863 Derlgth Dronfield
WATKINSON, Herbert Son Single M 22 1889 File Cutter Machine Yorks Sheffield

For Maureen.................


1901 England Census
about Gertrude Watkinson
Name: Gertrude Watkinson
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: Sutton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 106
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Watkinson 47
Annie Watkinson 46
William Watkinson 21
Arthur Watkinson 14
>>>>>>>>>>>Gertrude Watkinson 12
Beatrice Watkinson 5

I think I semi-ruled that one out because he seems to be this one:
Births Sep 1892
WATKINSON Herbert Wharfedale 9a 144
(not that it matters,since we're all just guessing here!)

Also,the occupation of excise clerk just didn't seem to jive with Herbert being a coal carter on his service record.

Certainly worth checking out though!

Maureen

The Herbert in Hull on 1911 census born @ 1894 in Askwith was the son of James Watkinson born Burley Woodhead Yorkshire 1862 died1923 in Ilkley and Mary ellen Snowden 1866

In 1901 James and Mary were in Harrogate D30 Image 5 visiting a John Crowther born Leeds 1868.No children with James and Mary.

1911 they were at Forrest Lane Starbeck Harrogate James was born 1862 a farmer master.
Mary born Otley 1865 married 22years.
With them is son Percy Snowden Watkinson a student born Southend Essex in 1896 he became a Minister.

Also written in but then crossed out is HERBERT 18 = 1892 depending on time of year born so this is him in Hull 1911
Also written and crossed out is daughter Annie age 20 she was at 68,Walker Road Harrogate in 1911

When you add this up him being born York 1892 it does fit in with the Herbert above and especially being born in Askwith Yorkshire.

Maryb
What do you think ?

I have acsess to two trees with Percy S Watkinson in but they don't give anything about Herbert so I have just contacted them to see if they can tell me anything,also two others that have Percy but I don't have their trees open to me.
Hope the answer so we can rule him in or out.

Yes ladies, I appreciate your domestic worries. We've just had the first of English Asparagus.

But can someone tell me if the Borthwick Institute does bmds? I don't think so.

And yes, Maureen, I'll pay for the damn marriage cert myself if need be. I't done it once or twice before.

I'll give the nice man another pm.

brussels? what about the ozone layer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~lol

I was afraid that would be the case!!


I agree .... marriage certificate needed

PS-Would someone get that wrench out of my brussel sprouts?
I'm trying to eat here!!

Maureen

In 1911, Elizabeth Squirrell appears on the census in Middlesbrough aged 14 (1897) living with:
Edward age 34 (1877)
Henry age 7 (1904)
Arthur Ed age 9 (1902)

I realise that Garry is trying to find Herbert's parents, not Elizabeth's, but Garry has her year of birth as 1898 and the cencus is out by a year. Maybe Herbert's is the same?

Meg-Just noticed that as well. For some reason this thread has not done well on my screen.
My reasoning for the birth cert is that I'm 99% certain that that is the Herbert we're looking for. His marriage cert may have a "father" listed (ahem),but I want to know the mother's details.
I swear I'll buy the marriage cert if necessary.

Maureen

Throwing spanners ...............I agree because there is more info about both of them on a marriage cert, and the birth cert may NOT be him, but Gary being Gary will do it his way !

[Delete this at your peril !]

Yes. Lindsey found them. It's his wife-Elizabeth Squir*l.

Maureen

having just read this, can someone clarify for me

Have you found Herbert's war records?

If so, has he named a next of kin?



sylvia

I don 't want to throw a spanner in the works, or delay anything, but Garry David has mentioned the Borthwick Institute. Surely that isn't a place to get birth or marriage certs from is it? I thought it dealt with wills and such like.

I am a bit concerned at getting his birth cert when the marriage cert to Elizabeth Squirrel is more certain.

The addresses I gave him were for the York Register Office, I am a big believer in using local register offices where you might have further queries. They are much more amenable to answering questions than the GRO, who don't answer any at all.

Ditto!!
Maureen

please feel free to share the contents when it arrives as we all want to know now !

Thank you, Garry David!!! It may not show a father,but at least we'll know who the mother is.
My best regards,
Maureen

Hi

Just done a quick search on the 1911 census ans the ONLY Herbert Watkinson born in 1892 is in the Rotherham district.

But, if you +/- it by a year you get another in Hull, county Yorkshire East Riding (with York)

Could either of these be the one?

Dear Mad Meg Thanks for the info i am going to get his birth cert Garry David

Dear Maureen ny i do like you all and i am really serious about finding herberts parents so my best bet would be to get in touch with the BORTHWICK INSTITUTE at york uni and buy a birth cert that WOULD have his parents on wouldnt it Garry david