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Looked at emigration records, zilch.

Gertrude anybody living with Herbert anybody, zilch.

G W and H W, zilch.

Mary b, does that tree have anyone in 1911?

EDIT, I've had a look on Ancestry. Several trees of Watkinsons, some appear very poorly researched. The one that Mary has homed in on is the best, but no 1911 census - and no Gertrudes or Herberts.

LOL!! True.

Maureen

No Maureen, I didn't ask that. But even if he is a Tightrope Walker, I still can't find him.

Agreed, Maureen.

5 Gertrude Watkinsons in 1911 of right age, checked them all.
110 Gertrudes in Yorkshire in 1911 of right age, none with a surname that looks as if it had been mistranscribed.

HELLO GARRY DAVID (I'll put a rocket under him!).

Meg-did you get Herbert's occupation on the marriage cert?

Maureen

If she and Herbert are together then they're hiding really well!!

Maureen

So, no Maureen, your Gertrude wasn't a red herring:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Gertrude Watkinson
Name: Gertrude Watkinson
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: York
County: Yorkshire - East Riding, Yorkshire - North Riding, North Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 50 (click to see others on page)

Maybe she's with Herbert in 1901 and 1911?

Silly me!

So there's the witnesses too. Well done!

All dissapeared 1901.
Jessie 1884 died 1899
John William 1885
Frank 1889-1963 married in Liverpool 1916 to Catherine Wildes had 8 kids
Eliza 1890.
Can't find any yet in 1911.

Herbert wouldn't be on 1891 census as not yet born !!

Maryb

That's them in 1891!!
Marriages Jun 1913
Scott Arthur E Watkinson York 9d 16
Watkinson Eliza Scott York 9d 16

Marriages Jun 1914
FLETCHER Windross Watkinson York 9d 113
WATKINSON Gertrude Feltcher(sic) York 9d 113

Maureen

This is them in 1891 - no Herbert!!!

1891 England Census
about John Wm Watkinson
Name: John Wm Watkinson
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Heworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Heworth Holy Trinity
Town: Heworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Walmgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Wm Watkinson 33
Elizabeth Watkinson 30
Jessie Watkinson 7
John Wm Watkinson 6
Frank Watkinson 2
Eliza Watkinson under 10 months

poss?

1891 England Census about Elizabeth Watkinson
Name: Elizabeth Watkinson
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John Wm
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Heworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Heworth Holy Trinity
Town: Heworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Walmgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Wm Watkinson 33 bricklayer
Elizabeth Watkinson 30
Jessie Watkinson 7
John Wm Watkinson 6
Frank Watkinson 2
Eliza Watkinson under 10 months
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Agree Mary's info too.

This is him in 1881, Bricklayer, and parents:

1881 England Census
about John Wm. Watkinson
Name: John Wm. Watkinson
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Spouse's name: Elizab.
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Heworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Bricklayer

Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Walmgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Watkinson 46 Engine Driver
Mary Watkinson 57
George Wrigglesworth 33 (son of first H?)
John Wm. Watkinson 23
Elizab. Watkinson 20
Susanna Watkinson 21

John William Watkinson born heworth 1858 -1943 married elizabeth Beaumont 1861-1943.

No mention of herbert but the tree i saw it on didn't have census for them in 1901.

Parents of John William were John born Knaresborough 1835 died in St Helens. and Mary born 1824 Pontefract.

Maryb

No promises:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about John William Watkinson
Name: John William Watkinson
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: York
County: Yorkshire - East Riding, Yorkshire - North Riding, North Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 80 (click to see others on page)

Spouse either Maria or Elizabeth. However, Maria possibly married Samuel Whitely, I have found what might be them in 1891.

Did garry give you the marriage info?

Maryb

I'm blowed if we know, Mary. I can't find him either.

When and where was John William born?

Maryb

Bless the lad, he has gone to the York Records office and paid double the usual amount to get the marriage cert, to satisfy us all. I'm sure he'll be here soon to tell you, but I'm sticking my nose in early:

Herbert Watkinson age 22, Elizabeth Squirrel age 18.
Herbert living at Yard off East Parade, Heworth, York, Elizabeth at 19 Ebor Buildings, York. I've done an address search for East Parade on the 1911, plenty of houses but no Yard mentioned.
His father John William, bricklayer, her father Edward Squirrel general lab.
Witnesses Arthur Ernest Scott and Gertrude Fletcher.