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No luck, sorry Reece.

Hello Cherilyn,

James William Wisdom MARSH b.1833 (parents Jesse and Annabella Marsh) married my great grandmother, Rosina Whiteman, widow 1859 in Camden, NSW. They had two children.

In 1869 Rosina, widow, married William McGregor, in Sydney.


I cannot find a death for James William Wisdom MARSH despite much searching. He may have been a shopkeeper in Camden, but I am not sure of that.

I would be very grateful if you could please have a look for me and see if you can find his death.

Warmest thanks for your help.

Reece

nudge

Hi Sylvia, sorry I misread your post.

This must be John's death, not much help.

Surname: MURRAY
Given Names: John Beird
Event: D
Father: Unknown
Mother:
Age: 42
Birth Place: EDIN
Year: 1866
Reg Number: 5406

Still no sign of Alexander Murray Allen/Allan.

Hi Cherilyn

Alexander Murray Allen was the nephew of Andrew Gibb Murray
apparently they traveled over to Australia in 1855 and their was a John Baird Murray on the same ship Red Jacket arriving in Melbourn March 1855.

In the 1841 census he was down as Alexander A Murray but his birth was Alexander Murry Allen

Sylvia

Hi Sylvia

His death reg

Surname: MURRAY
Given Names: Andrew Gibb
Event: D
Father: Alexander
Mother: Ann UNKNOWN
Age: 26
Birth Place: LINL
Year: 1858
Reg Number: 4819

I have ruled out a possible marriage in 1851 (as Andrew Murray not Andrew Gibb Murray) as they still had children into the 1860s; also his middle name of Gibb not on any of the chn's births. They lived in Colac.

Was his brother Alexander Allen MURRAY (not Alexander Murray ALLEN)? Can't see him as either. Also can't see Andrew's arrival. Lots of Alexanders.

HI Cane
Do you have any more information about Richard? Was he still in the UK in 1891/1901/1911 censuses? Do you know his parents names? Or where in Australia he settled? Did he marry in the UK? Without more info it may be difficult to find him.

sorry....i only just realised what i did ....

HI Cherilyn....please would you be able to find anything on Richard Abbot(t)..He was born 1882 durham/darlington....thank you

Hi Cherilyn

Is it possible to look for an Andrew Gibb Murray b 1831 Linlithgow west lothian please
I've just found out he died 1858 in Victoria, aged 26
Not sure when he went to Australia ? he was 8 in the 1841 census living in Linlithgow West Lothian
He possibly went on his own as his parents were still in Scotland
I would be grateful for anything you might find

I;ve just found out his cousin was there also Alexander Murray Allen they might have been together??

Sylvia

Hi Cherilyn,

Penny has posted to you after anything I found so I think she would like you to find information for her?


I also did not find any death for Michael Joseph Quinton, that Paul posted?

Helen.

Looks like Helen (cupcakes) has beaten me to it on both counts on the other threads...! :-D

Let me know if you still need anything, Penny.

Sorry to bother you again!


Wondered if you could find an obit that might identify his parents?


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1303472?page=1


Cheers x

Hi Cherilyn,

Could you see what infor you can find on descendents of Alexander Murray Boyd. Born in Liberton, Edinburgh 1892. Emigrated to Australia 1912?. Enlisted in AIF in 1915 in Kalgoorlie. He married Daisy Dent Greene in 1918. Died around 1940 in Sydney, where is wife was listed as Eileen. I know there was one son, also Alexander Murray Boyd who died in 1979 in Sydney. But I think there may have been children from his marriage to Daisy. He was in Perth until around 1925/26 when he moved to Sydney.

Would love to know if there are any descendents still alive.
Any info would be much appreciated.
Penny

Cherilyn/Cupcakes


Could you take a look at this thread please.......thank you


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1303032


x

OH WOW .... thank you ever so much, we now have something to go on for the family. My lady would be very interested in whatever you can PM me. I so appreciate all of this. She will be so surprised when I see her again on Wednesday.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

Vanessa
:-) <3

Surname: CRISP
Given Names: George William
Event: B
Father: George William [b. London, m. 1876 Vic]
Mother: Marian CROSBIE [d. 30/4/1908 Gindalbie, WA goldfields, aged 55]
Birth Place: SAGO HILL
Year: 1877
Reg Number: 18197

Surname: CRISP
Given Names: George William
Father: George William
Mother: Unknown CROSBIE
Death Place: MILD
Age: 91
Year: 1969
Reg Number: 18911
Event: D

It appears George's father, Geo Wm CRISP snr, arrived in Victoria in 1857 aged 8 as a child, with his father also Geo Wm (33) and brother Chas Tho (4) (actually Chas Jno). Also a Mary CRISP aged 58 (possibly mother and grandmother). Both boys were born in London.

The eldest Geo Wm died in 1865 aged 42, born Cambridge, son Wm & Mary Ann (nee WOLLARD). Chas Jno died in 1888 in Warrnambool aged 35, son of Geo Wm & Elizabeth (nee CORK).

A sad tale of lots of young parents dying in this one, I'm afraid!

Not sure if you also need the WISBEY side? Note her death year is different to the one you have given in your post...

Surname: CRISP
Given Names: Liln Annie
Father: Wisbey Wm Jno
Mother: Sarah TREVALYNN
Death Place: MILDURA
Age: 55
Year: 1946
Reg Number: 19053
Event: D

Lillian's parents were Wm Jno WISBEY and Annie Sarah TREVALYAN/TREVELYAN. She was born as you say, in Albany in 1891 (reg 274), the same year and place her parents married).

Sadly her father died young, in 1898, aged only 41 (reg 2022). He was born in Hackney, England, son of Wm & Jane (nee WILSON). He was a piermaster in Fremantle and a stationmaster in Busselton.

The West Australian, Monday 30 May 1898
NEWS AND NOTES.
FUNERAL of Mr. W. J. Wisbey.-The funeral of the late Mr. William John Wisbey, who died on Friday last, took place on Saturday afternoon, at 3 o'clock. The cortège left the residence of Mr. T. Briggs, Roe Street, Perth, and the remains were followed to their last resting-place, the Church of England portion of the Perth Cemetery, by a large number of friends. The chief mourners were-Mrs. Wisbey (wife of the deceased), Mrs. T. Briggs, Messrs. T. Briggs, McDavitt and Clough. The pall-bearers were-Mr. Weedon (station-master, Perth), Inspectors Wakeham, Brown, Summer, Hurlston and Drewe. A large number of the deceased's fellow-employees, connected with him while pier-master at the Port and in the Railway Department, also attended the funeral. Amongst the wreaths placed upon the coffin were those sent from the following : - The forwarding and com- mission agents at Fremantle, the Harbour and Lights Department, Fremantle Jetty's staff, West Perth station officials and Mr. and Mrs. McDavitt. The burial service was read by the Rev. J. Ellis, who officiated at the grave, and the funeral arrangements were carried out under the personal supervision of Mr. Donald J. Chipper.

He left Annie 225 pounds - no small amount in those days. Perhaps she decided to go elsewhere, as I can't see her anymore in WA after his death.

Let me know if you'd like info on Lillian's siblings.

Hi Vanessa

Charles J BARRY married Lily A WISBEY in Fremantle, WA in 1908 (reg 92). Daughter Lilian M St G was born in 1909 in Fremantle (reg 581). She married Robert Jas DOWLER in Victoria in 1927 (reg 9071). Sadly, she died young, in Mildura Vic:

Surname: DOWLER
Given Names: Liln May St George
Father: Barry Charles
Mother: Liln Annie WISBEY
Death Place: MILDURA
Age: 26
Year: 1935
Reg Number: 12934
Event: D

You may need the marriage cert to get any further back on Chas. His burial :

First Name CHARLES
Last Name BARRY
Application Number KB00008757
Aged (Years) 56
Date of Death 15/05/1909
Suburb SUBIACO
Grave Location
Cemetery KARRAKATTA CEMETERY
ROMAN CATHOLIC BA 0211A
Grant Number K0003217
Grantee CHARLES BARRY
Grant Status EXPIRED
Expiry 04/01/1957

And funeral notice:

The Daily News, Saturday 15 May 1909
FUNERAL NOTICE
BARRY.— The friends of the late Mr. CHARLES BARRY are respectfully invited to follow his remains to the place of interment, the Roman Catholic portion of the Karrakatta Cemetery. The Funeral is appointed to leave the residence of his son in law, Mr. Albert Maynard, 13 Howard street, Leederville, at 2.15 p.m. TOMORROW, per road, friends wishing to attend the Funeral may proceed by the 3 o'clock train from Perth.

What this tells us, if this is the right man, is that he was a fair bit older than Lilian and also that he had a previous wife and children.

From the BARRY-MAYNARD marriage I can see that his first wife was Mary Ann BARLOW. They married in Guildford WA in 1880! (reg 4870).

They had the following children, all born in Perth district:
1. Edith Mary Lucy 1881, m. Albert Percival Hugh MAYNARD 1902, d. 20/1/1968 aged 87
2. Selina Maude 1882, m. Jas Haldane MILL 1904 [as Maud Selina Mary], d. 19/8/1977 aged 95 [as Maud Selena]
3. Ethel Augusta 1884, m. Wm Bielby MILL 1905, d. 1/3/1968 aged 83
4. Florence Eveline 1886, m. Jno B MURPHY 1911, d. 1970 aged 84
5. Frances Hilda 1889, m. Edgar STEWART 1910 [as Hilda Frances], d. 14/3/1962 aged 73 [as Hilda Frances]
6. Bernard Charles c1891, m. Julia Cathrine SAMPFORD 1921, d. 12/4/1958 aged 67
7. John Richard Orlander 1893, m. Eileen Mary MARTIN 1924, d. 27/6/1966 aged 70
8. Mary Myrtle 1896, m. Leslie Ingram HIGGINS 1926 [as Myrtle Mary], d. 26/8/1983 aged 87
9. Miriam Ivy 1898, d. 1899 aged 5 months [as Marian Ivy]
10. Mathew Jas 1901, m. Lily Rose Mary BUCKINGHAM 1926, d. 13/1/1942 aged 41 [both m. & d. as James Mathew]
11. Elsie Dolores c1904, m. Hy Robert RAY 1931, d. 26/6/1992 aged 88

Mary Ann died on 27th Dec 1906 aged 47 (so that fits with the timing of a 2nd marriage to 'Lily' in 1908). Chas was buried with Mary Ann (i.e they are both in the plot above).

Possible birth for Mary Ann in Swan district, WA in 1861 to John BARLOW & Mary HOGAN (reg 5708). I think I have found contact details of a living descendant of one of the above children, if you think your lady would be interested. I will send my PM...let me know.

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Lillian A BARRY married George W CRISP in Fremantle, WA (NOT Victoria) in 1921 (reg 63). Were the two sons named Raymond W (b. 1923) & Sydney G (b. 1924) by any chance? If so, they were born in Perth, WA, not Victoria.


Still looking... :-)

Dear Cherilyn,

Could you please assist me with a possible marriage lookup for Western Australia.

The couple I am currently researching are Charles Barry and Lilian Annie Wisbey.

I do not have a great deal on the groom other than his name and possible date of death (being 1909 in WA).

His spouse Lilian Annie Wisbey was born 1891 Albany, WA and died 1956 Mildura, Victoria. They would have married sometime around 1908/1909 in Western Australia as they had a daughter Lilian May born c1909 in Western Australia.

After Charles death Lilian Annie remarried to George William Crisp in Victoria (possibly Mildura) and had 2 more children both sons.

Is there any possibility that you could find a marriage for Charles and Lilian and would I really be stretching if you could find anything on Charles Barry, possibly a birth and confirm his death for me please.

I really appreciate anything that you do find as I am trying to assist an elderly lady who knows very little about her mother maternal family and even less on her mother's paternal side of the family.

I look forward to whatever info you can gleen. Thanking you in advance

Vanessa.