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Cherilyn
I have tried all Ireland census. He had been in the army some years back and was in India. So he was used to travelling. He was an agrl. labourer on the 1901 census. Army records, he was a labourer. He could have gone to New Zealand and maybe it was thought it was Australia when info was handed down. I have checked passenger list and nothing stood out to say it was him. The only hope is a death cert. I did send for one in New Zealand only to get the wrong one. Very disappointing. His father died 1905 and I did think he could have left before that as I wondered would he leave his mother on her own then. Mary J was living on her own 1911!! Also, it was said that when this Alexander died, money came over to his Nephew. That must have been a will. I was told he owned a sheep station. Is there records of probate and wills?
Kind regards
Alison :-S

The most likely immigrations from FMP are in 1903 as adult male A Spence from , London to Adelaide, male Alex Spence (age unknown) from London to Fremantle in 1911, and Alexander Spence (age unknown), from London to Melbourne in 1912.

The others too young or too late.

Having said that I can't see him in WA or SA (which is not to say he isn't there), and th eonly one in Vic deaths with father Alexander was born c1882. It is not an uncommon name, surprisingly.

Also he may have left from Ireland and stayed in England for a while. I assume you can't find him on the 1911 census?

Hello
I wonder if you could do a look-up for my ancestor, Alexander Spence. He was born in Raphoe Co Donegal Ireland in 1856 but other details show he had 1860. He emigrated to Australia after 1901. I was hoping for details of his death. Also he was not married by 1901 and was reported he had or worked on a sheep station in Australia. Parents names were Alexander Spence and Mary Jane Hamilton of Raphoe Co Donegal Ireland. Any little bits of information will be great as I have nothing on him after 1901.
kind regards
Alison :-D

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1313325


Another, for your expert eyes!


Thank you

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Nothing in Vic...neither of their death notices mention any children...

Hello Cherilyn,
Thanks for your e-mail. Sorry, I was not concentrating when I sent mine. You are right, Frederick and Rose Bentham were in Victoria State. I have probably drawn another blank in trying to discover whether, or, not, they had any family. The biggest mystery is where on earth were they between 1908 and 1926?
Kathleen

Hi Kathleen

A search on the NSW State Records of probate records shows Chas Arthur Bentham 1957, Walter Bentham 1959 and Wm Bentham 1960...not Fredk or Rose though (weren't they in Victoria?).

See http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/research-topics/death-records/death-records

Hi Cherilyn

Would you mind taking a look at this please


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1312983

Thank you :-)

Hello Cherilyn,
I have been in touch with you previously regarding Frederick Bentham and his wife Rose. I am wondering if there is a site regarding wills which have been listed in New South Wales. We obtained a copy of his grandfather William Iveson's will. It was fantastic. It gave details of his family and had also been contested twice in the Courts of Chancery, London. The family won the case, rather than the bank manager.
Kathleen

nudge

Hi Virgina

How can I help? Did they come to Australia?

In 1952, while I was 6 months old, my grandfather left his French family to take care of his daughter in London who was conceived with a Belgian lady during the Second World War while he was a prisoner.
I would like to contact her for knowing her story and to present her brother ( my father ) Albert who is 88-years-old today and who would like to get acquainted before he is too late. It is the only link that he stays in her with his father ( my grandfather )
I would like that she speaks to me about this grandfather that I did not know and I could also make her discover mister Turner's book " Forgotten of 39/45 " of which his father is a member
My grandfather Albert Hall was born May 8th, 1896 in London and lived in 3 Dupree Road with his father John and her mother Jessie Imry.
In 1914, he undertook in the English army, came to fight in France until 1918 and with his regiment freed(released) Abscon, a small village situated in the North of France where was my grandmother Louise Daubresse.
It was the love at first sight (lightning stroke), they got married in 1920 and had a child in 1924: Albert my father.
Everything was well until the day when my grandfather is taken by German in 1940 during the Second World War. It is then that his Calvary began.
Of Huy in Belgium, he is taken to Tost in Germany 1943.
In 15/11/43 he arrives in France at Giromagny, then at Vittel before leaving to Portugal where he was the object of an exchange against German prisoners. Hereturned in England and undertook in the American army till the end of the war.
He returned in France in 1946 but in 1952 while I was only 6 months old, he left in England to take care of a girl would be called maybe Irène and who was conceived during her captivity with a Belgian woman.
It is the day of the funeral of my grandfather the 29/11/1963 that my relatives (parents) learnt her existence.
She was 19 years old in 1963, she was a primary school teacher; it is all that I know!


Address of my grandfather in 1963: 31 Northern Road Camberwell to goiner (Borough council)
Address of his nephew Jack Hall in 1963: 312 Crystal Palace Road London SE22
Address of his(her) nephew Albert Hall in 1972: 62 Monmouth road the Hague Middlesex N such: London 01-573 1371 that I knew and which(who) came to my marriage
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Addresses in the letter that my grandfather sent my parents
THE COTTAGE 1 Rodmill Lane London SW2 Sulina Rd
4 SW1 London 22/2/1953 PLACE DENBIGH
Ansdell Road London SE15 82 5.1 / 31 1958
Northcross ROAD SE22 London 27/10 /1960
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Here are the informations about my English family I would like to know the descendants
My grand-father Albert had one brother Fred Archer born in 1887 and two sisters, Maud born 1889 and Jessie born in 1892
Albert's father was known as John Hall, but his real name is Israel John Hall, and he was born in Russia in 1858.
Sadly, John died in early 1901, when Albert was 4 years old.
In the 1901 census, the family lived in a housing consists of two parts only 13 Lollard Street, Lambeth, London.
Jessie, a widow at age 36, working as a sewing machinist (Sewing), Fred, 14, worked as a packer tea (he put the tea bags) in a grocery store, Maud was 12, Jessie 9, Albert and 4 years.
Maud was married to Percy Johnson in Lambeth St Mary Church August 14, 1915.
She was 26 years old, she worked as a cook, and Lived to 77 Lambeth Road,

nudge

You never know what you will find in a family do you thats why its so interesting and a bit of an obsession. Thanks so much for all your help.
regards.
Carol :) x

How awful. His poor wife too. :(

Oh Cherilyn, I found where Victor Scoullar died aged 25, so looked up papers past and he died either accidently falling from a train or deliberate. I think with his record it was probably suicide.
Poor boy

HI again

Hope you are still checking...just found Victor's WWI enlistment. Could he be a son of Arthur jnr?

SCOULLAR Victor Emmanuel : Service Number - 105 : Place of Birth - Wellington New Zealand : Place of Enlistment - Sydney NSW : Next of Kin - (Father) SCOULLAR Arthur W

He was 24 when he enlisted in 1914. He was a motor driver. HIs father, as next of kin, had the address of Featherstone St, Wellington. Hope this rings a bell! (Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at it!, he did not embark, and was charged with desertion.)

His NZ birth:
1891/9562 Scoullar Victor Emmanuel / Harriet Amanda / Arthur William

Arthur & Hart married in 1891; he died in 1956 aged 88, which means he is the one who was born in 1868, son of Arthur & Eliza Jane! So Victor was their grandson :-)

Have you checked out www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ ? You can order Arthur & Eliza Jane's probates and also download NZ WWI records, plus some other bits and pieces. Enjoy! :-D

Cherilyn your amazing, Yes thats them and Arthur was the businessman. I don't know if the Victor is any connection that I've heard of but you never know! I'm so thrilled. Thankyou.

Yes that makes sense, Donaldson/Dunstan.

Here's their emigration from Victoria to NZ with John, Annabella and baby Amelia, in case you don't have it:

SCOULLER A 32 GOTHENBURG I FEB 1863 OTAGO FEB 1863 009
SCOULLER —- MRS 28 GOTHENBURG I FEB 1863 OTAGO FEB 1863 009
SCOULLER —- CHILD WITH 5 GOTHENBURG I FEB 1863 OTAGO FEB 1863 009
SCOULLER —- CHILD WITH 3 GOTHENBURG I FEB 1863 OTAGO FEB 1863 009
SCOULLER —- INFANT WITH I GOTHENBURG I FEB 1863 OTAGO FEB 1863 009

From PapersPast:

Otago Daily Times , Issue 6307, 29 April 1882, Page 2
DEATH.
On the 25th April, at York place, Florence, the beloved daughter of Arthur and Eliza Jane Scoullar, of typhoid fever; aged 17 years.

Otago Daily Times , Issue 7557, 7 May 1886, Page 2
MARRIAGE.
On the 26th April (Easter Monday), at St. Pauls Church, by the Venerable Archdeacon Edwards, Edmund James to Amelia, second daughter of Arthur Scoullar, of this city.

There is also a photo of Arthur there from around this period, with a very impressive beard!

Star , Issue 6521, 26 June 1899, Page 3
The death is announced of Mr A. Scoullar, of the firm of Messrs Scoullar and Chisholm. Mr. Scoullar, who was formerly a prominent Dunedin citizen, was seventy years of age.

Auckland Star, Volume LVIII, Issue 167, 18 July 1927, Page 9
MR. ALEXANDER SCOULLAR.
(By Telegraph -Press Association.) WELLINGTON, Sunday. Mr. Alexander Scoullar, second son of the founder of the firm of Scoullar, Chisholm, and Company, furniture manufacturers, of Wellington and Dunedin, died to-day. He leaves a widow and one son.


Any connection?

The Sydney Morning Herald, Wednesday 30 September 1914
SCOULLAR-RENAUT.-September 25, 1914, at Christ Church, Sydney, by the Rev. Clive Statham, Victor, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. Arthur Scoullar, of New Zealand, to Linda, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Charles Renaut, of Blayney.