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Name: Florence M Larbalestirs
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John P
Mother's Name: Helena
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Helier
Civil parish: St Helier
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: St Heliers
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands

Name: John P***** pilot
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Helena
Gender: Male
Where born: St. Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Helier
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: St Heliers
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Name: Helena Larbalestirs
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John P
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Helier
Civil parish: St Helier
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: St Heliers
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Household Members:
Name Age
John P Larbalestirs 35
Helena Larbalestirs 33
Florence M Larbalestirs 12
Mabel R Larbalestirs 11
Edward C Larbalestirs 9
Charles P Larbalestirs 8
Alfred Larbalestirs 6
Thomas J Larbalestirs 5
Owen P Larbalestirs 3
Elsie Larbalestirs 1/12

Hi Lily, recieved the marriage certificate today for William.24/09/1931 Marlborough, Wiltshire. William Larbalestier, age 38yrs, Bachelor, Seaman, Residence at time of marriage; 95 St Andrews Road, Southampton. Father - John Philip Larbalestier (deceased) Seaman. I dismissed the 1901 census i found for William 1889 St Helier, Jersey, which stated that his mother Eleanor Larbalestier (1857, St Helier) was the wife of a local pilot. I imagined that "local pilot" was a little chap that flew one of those eye boggling, bone shaking litltle plane's that regularly took you back and forth from the island to the mainland! However. i found a 1901 census for John Larbalestier(1856 St Helier) "PILOT" master of a vessel! In the 1901 census for Eleanor, and as yet i cant find anything earlier, William has two brothers, Uwen and Alfred and so i am guessing that one of them is the father of Peter Edwin Larbalestier. Hope this makes sense to you Lily...all for now ..Sue

Good, i feel better now...Sue x

Don't worry about it - I only spent 5 mins on Ancestry, the Archive is closed until Tues but I'm quite happy to have a go at the Larbalestiers. I do volunteer work there and it's good to have something to do when the place is quiet, as it often is at this time of year.

Oh, i am so sorry Lily i think i just assumed William was Peter's brother but i see now that there is a 23yr age gap! He was probably an Uncle. He told the story that when Peter drowned, his father was told by the local authorities that it was most unlikely that his body would ever be found. He spent many days studying the current's and tide's, set off one day, found him and bought him home! I am really sorry to have wasted your valuble time. I expected the marriage cert to arrive on Wednesday, but i have still not recieved it. Will get back to you when i do if only to update you. Thankyou for your time ... Sue x

Hi Susan
When you get the certificate I'd be interested in knowing his father's name as the only William Larbalestier I can find in the 1901 was born in 1895 and his mother was 44 meaning she'd be in her mid-fifties by the time she had Peter. Not impossible I know.

Hi again Lily, my other Jersey interest is the family of William Larbalestier c1889 St Helier. He is the elder brother of Peter Edwin Larbalestier 1912-1946 assistant keeper at Corbiere Lighthouse, who on the 28th May 1946 gave up his life attempting to rescue a visitor, cut off by the incoming tide. "Take heed, all ye that pass by!" I am sure you will know the story! William married Sydney Patrick Grants mother, Mary Grant/Mythen in 1931. I am expecting thier marriage certificate to arrive tomorrow but if you have any other info regarding the family, i would be very interested.... thankyou... Sue.

Thankyou x

www.jerseyheritagetrust.jeron.je

Sorry - forgot the trust bit!

Oops, sorry to be a pain Lily but i searched for the jerseyheritage website but it says it does not exist!

Very kind of you to offer bus fare but I think I'll be OK - the Registry Office is only about a 10 min drive away and the Archive 5 mins :-)

It'll probably be Mon before I can get there. I did have a look for a marriage between Sydney P and a Dorothy but no luck I'm afraid.

If Sydney J is the father, and I'm 99% convinced he is, take a look at www.jerseyheritage.jeron.je and you'll find his baptism. It's a bit tortuous and very slow but if you click Archive and then Name you get to the search page. Surname first then comma then space followed by Christian name will get you quite a lot of Grants. Clicking Sydney's name shows that he is in a St Helier baptism register but you need to click 'order items' and then 'transcription'. I suggest you then go and make a cup of tea while it loads the page! If you ask it to 'Find' before it's loaded it just comes back as no results. You may find others there who are connected.

I'm at the Archive most weeks so if you find anything you want looking at just give me a shout.

I am so positive that we are on the right track, as one of Sydney Joseph Grants Grandchildren was christened, Patrick Sydney and anouther had the middle name, Joseph!

Thankyou so much jerseylily, how very kind. Well its certainly my Sidney! I am tripping over my tongue because i need to send you on anouther mission to confirm that Sydney Ps father is Sydney Joseph Grant as mentioned earlier on this thread ....should i send you the bus fare?

I've had a look at the St Helier birth index and a Sydney Patrick Mythen Grant was registered between 1912 and 1914. The entry is on Page 45 so the birth was roughly in the middle of that period. So definitely registered with the surname Grant.

If you need any extra info I can go and look at the certificate next week.

Glad it looks like you might be getting somewhere

It was my post that was deleted - I did it accidently when I went to add something.
I had made a note to look under both surnames.

Lily, please can i just point out to you that it is believed that Sydney Patrick Grants birth Certificate named him as Sydney Patrick Mythen. His mothers maiden name or perhaps an earlier marriage!

Thankyou Jerseylily, i dont understand why my last post was deleted! I wont repeat it, but i trully appreciate your time.....Sue x

There is a baptism for a Sydney Joseph Grant on the Jersey Heritage website.
Born 10/6/1884, baptised 8/5/1887.
His brother Percy John, born 16/3/1887 was baptised on the same day.

Parents Henry (coachman) and Ann Bennett Peek.

This is the family that you have found on the 1891 and 1901 - I think there's a strong chance that this is your Sydney Patrick's father and grandparents.

I'll have a root around in the parish records next week and see if I can find a birth for Sydney P. I can then go and look at the certificate - no charge for looking over here - and get back to you

Just had a flash back regarding the witness.. K Grant on the Marr cert. I believe Sydney P Grant also had a sister Kitty!