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Don't worry about it - I only spent 5 mins on Ancestry, the Archive is closed until Tues but I'm quite happy to have a go at the Larbalestiers. I do volunteer work there and it's good to have something to do when the place is quiet, as it often is at this time of year.

Good, i feel better now...Sue x

Hi Lily, recieved the marriage certificate today for William.24/09/1931 Marlborough, Wiltshire. William Larbalestier, age 38yrs, Bachelor, Seaman, Residence at time of marriage; 95 St Andrews Road, Southampton. Father - John Philip Larbalestier (deceased) Seaman. I dismissed the 1901 census i found for William 1889 St Helier, Jersey, which stated that his mother Eleanor Larbalestier (1857, St Helier) was the wife of a local pilot. I imagined that "local pilot" was a little chap that flew one of those eye boggling, bone shaking litltle plane's that regularly took you back and forth from the island to the mainland! However. i found a 1901 census for John Larbalestier(1856 St Helier) "PILOT" master of a vessel! In the 1901 census for Eleanor, and as yet i cant find anything earlier, William has two brothers, Uwen and Alfred and so i am guessing that one of them is the father of Peter Edwin Larbalestier. Hope this makes sense to you Lily...all for now ..Sue

1891 the family from 1901 that you found
Name: Florence M Larbalestirs
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John P
Mother's Name: Helena
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Helier
Civil parish: St Helier
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: St Heliers
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands

Name: John P***** pilot
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Helena
Gender: Male
Where born: St. Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Helier
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: St Heliers
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Name: Helena Larbalestirs
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John P
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Helier
Civil parish: St Helier
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: St Heliers
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Household Members:
Name Age
John P Larbalestirs 35
Helena Larbalestirs 33
Florence M Larbalestirs 12
Mabel R Larbalestirs 11
Edward C Larbalestirs 9
Charles P Larbalestirs 8
Alfred Larbalestirs 6
Thomas J Larbalestirs 5
Owen P Larbalestirs 3
Elsie Larbalestirs 1/12

1881
Name: John Larbalestier
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Spouse's name: Eleanor
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street Address: Lavender Cottage 22 Havre Des Pas
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Mariner


ame: Eleanor Larbalestier
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter in Law
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street Address: Lavender Cottage 22 Havre Des Pas
Condition as to marriage: Married


Name: Charles Larbalestier
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street Address: Lavender Cottage 22 Havre Des Pas
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Pilot



Name: Mary Ann Larbalestier
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey



Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Larbalestier 66
Mary Ann Larbalestier 57
John Larbalestier 25
Eleanor Larbalestier 23
John Larbalestier 4
Florence Larbalestier 2
Mabel Larbalestier 1

1871
Name: John Rasbalestier
[John Larbalestier]
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: St. Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey


Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Rasbalestier 52
Mary Ann Rasbalestier 44
Edwd Rasbalestier 23
John Rasbalestier 15
Julia Clements 72***mother in law
Alfred Jacbalestier 21
Elvina Jacbalestier 18 wife of Alfred

Oh thankyou so much Jan, its a lot to take in at this time of night but how lovely to know you are still hanging in there for me,, back tomorrow, Sue x

Hi Sue

I had a good chuckle at your vision of Jersey pilots!

Thanks to all the cenus information that jansmith found and a bit of fiddling about on the Jersey heritage site I can tell you that Eleanor/Helena Larbalestier's maiden name was Tramp.

The likely father of the lighthouse keeper was Owen. On the web-site there is a record of Owen's immigration and nationality card from the Occupation and his address is given as Keeper's Cottage, Corbiere - if that's not a home for a lighthouse keeper I don't know what is! Like the Harbour Pilots, Lighthouse keeping was very much a father to son job.

Owen also seems to have married a Tramp (don't laugh) as there's a record of his widow Lena Louise being granted probate in 1965.

Bless jansmiths cotton socks for all the information she found but i did think oh no! Poor Lily! now she has at least six brothers to choose from as to who is the father of Peter!! So well done Lily and thanyou very much. I wonder if Owen was on duty with Peter the night he drowned. Brrr gives me a chill, I found a Jersey website today that gave me an online tour around the inside of Corbiere Lighthouse and i couldnt help thinking - god i wish my kitchen was that clean! Thankyou both for you time, it really is very much apprieciated - i am off to check out the Tramp now!...Sue.

Glad to have helped ,it's good when it all works out.

I would just like to add jansmith, that your earlier tip on here, which said "just use surnames in search as 1st names could be spelt differenty" has helped me out enormoustly.Just wish i knew how to spell enourmostley!!! Sue x

Hooray!

St Helier births
25/4/1913 Sydney Patrick Mythen Grant
Father - Sydney Joseph Grant, Sailor
Mother - Mary Mythen
Address Tunnel Street

well done Lily****

For she's a jolly good fellow, for she's a jolly good fellow! Give yourself a pat on the back Lily. Well confirms that then! Thankyou so much for your time and effort.Everything all falls into place now. However, (please dont either you or jansmith even consider self harming at this point!!) BUT, regarding Sydneys first marriage to a Dorothy Eugnie ??? if any information can be found i would be extremely gratefull. Its one of those things that i just cant put to rest.,, Amen. Sue

According to the IGI
Peter Erwin Larbalestier born 1st Aug 1912 died 29th May 1946
Parents Owen Peter Larbalestier and Laura Louisa Tramp

Batch no 822 5731

Owen Peter Larbalestier born 21st Aug 1887 died Nov 1961 parents
John Philip Larbalestier and Helena Ann Tramp

batch no as above

Another member Barry Grant has Sydney Grant 1913 Jersey on his tree on GR
He also has Mary Mythen 1889 Bagenalstown County Carlow Eire

Thankyou Quinsgran, i have made contact with Barry and we are both on a mission to solve the mystery regarding the first marriage of Sydney Patrick Grant!

I'll have a look through the marriages next time I'm at the Archive, presumably about 1930 to 1948 should cover it, let's hope it was in St Helier!

Good luck Lily, this seems like my last hope. Its just that it would be so interesting to find out if there are any half siblings out there somewhere! Thankyou ... Sue. x

I have to admit defeat. I have been through the marriage records for the entire island - twice - and there is no record Sid of marrying over here.

As a consolation prize I have photocopied the article from the Jersey Evening Post reporting the death of Peter Larbalestier. If you pm your e-mail address I'll scan it and send it to you (or No 2 son will if I ask him nicely!)

How have you got on with the lady Tramps? The earliest ones that I can find in the censuses are William and Helen (Eleanor) both 1797 who originated somewhere in England, Eleanor mentions Devonport in a later census.

Let me know if there's anything else I can help with.