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It would have been nice if Christine had given some of the *sources* of this information that sent me, for one, on some wild goose chases.

Quite obviously the marriage is the Atkinson + Marsden one.

Where on earth did the Segger / Seggar name come from?? just for starters. Certainly not from Christine's father's birth certificate, it seems.

I strongly suggest getting the Edgar Atkinson birth certificate and getting his parents' real names.


Oh, for pete's sake.

Name: Mary R V Marsden
> Mother's Maiden Surname: Segger
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1924
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1175

Mary Marsden who married Edgar Dennis Atkinson -- HER mother was Segger.

Name: Elizabeth W Segger
Spouse: Alfred H Marsden
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1923
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 827

So that does settle that!

I was hping that that Ethel's MMN would have been Edgar but no luck.

HOUSEHOLD AARON ETHEL F 1887 24 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD AARON ALICE ISABEL F 1909 2 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD AARON ANNIE F 1897 14 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD AARON ELIZABETH F 1857 54 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD AARON GEORGE M 1847 64 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD AARON GEORGE HENRY M 1893 18 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD AARON JOE M 1877 34 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD AARON LORANCE ALBERT M 1886 25 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD AARON WALTER M 1885 26 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding


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Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%)
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AARON George Pontefract 9c 149
BACON Annie Pontefract 9c 149
LEE William Pontefract 9c 149
Taylor Elizabeth Pontefract 9c 149

I wonder if Ethel and Harold ever married? I would be sorely tempted to buy that birth certificate for Edgar!

This possible birth for Ethel keeps coming back to me but nothing to base it on really.

Births Sep 1889 (>99%)
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Aaron Ethel Pontefract 9c 102

Rose, I,m now being to like the look of Edgar and Audrey!

Slightly different spelling of the MMN. Will have another wee look.

Unfortunately,

This looks to be Dennis:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Edgar Dennis Atkinson Name: Edgar Dennis Atkinson
Birth Date: 5 Jun 1921
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1992
Age at death (estimated): 70
Registration district: Hounslow
Inferred County: London
Volume: 13
Page: 1210

Rose

I'm guessing your dad was born in Hammersmith?

Rose

Rootgather,

Funny you should add that because I found this earlier:

Births Mar 1925
Atkinson Audrey A Arron Leeds 9b 630

Rose

No probably not him, he seems to be an only child.

Name: Edgar D Atkinson
Mother's Maiden Surname: Arran
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1921
Registration district: Leeds
Registration county: Yorkshire
Volume Number: 9b
Page Number: 766


Then again, I am not seeing a marriage for his parents, so perhaps his mother had been married previously and Audrey a half sister?

No, that's not looking very hopeful either.

Could Dennis have been his middle name?

Name: Edgar D Atkinson
Spouse Surname: Marsden, Mary R V
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1944
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 565

I don't see a marriage in 1944 for a Dennis Atkinson never mind to a Segger / Seggar!

Hello,
This is all the info that we have:
Harold Atkinson married to Ethel(do not know her maiden name).
We think Harold was a dentist and they came from/lived in Leeds around the 1920's.
They had a son Dennis(my paternal grandfather)and a daughter Audrey.
Dennis was in the scots guard during world war 2.
We think Dennis was also a signwriter.
Dennis married Mary Segger/seggar(my grandmother) in 1944.
we don't know anything about Harold, Ethel or Dennis after the war, Mary and Dennis spilt up when my father was still a baby.
do not know if Dennis is still alive or if there are any other family members still around.

Well, I wonder whether this was Mary:

Name: Mary E Murphy
Spouse Surname: George E Segger
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1936
Registration district: Brentford
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 745

i.e. a Segger by marriage.

Name: George E Segger ?
Death Registration Month/Year: 1953
Age at death (estimated): 42
Registration district: Middlesex South
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5f
Page: 44


I didn't want to ask Christine's father's personal details as he/she may not want them posted here.

There is a Q1 1946 birth that fits some of the info I have here, i.e. if Mary was a Segger by marriage.


... but no, Mary *A* Segger married West ... and she was born 1932.

Be useful to have your dad's name and birth location too.

Rose

just atkinson and seager marriages not segger

Heh, and that one's the wrong way around. ;) We'll just have to wait to hear what more info Christine may have.

We need a marriage around early 1940s-ish ... there is only one Mary Segger marriage after 1915, and that was in 1956 ... okay, we may be getting somewhere. The spouse was Dennis West. Too much coincidence?

There are several births following on that marriage, and I'd think the ones up to 1965 would fit ... but there's one in 1975 for which there's no other marriage.

only atkinson segger marriag i can see is

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Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
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Atkinson Frances Lancaster 8e 1459
Segger James Lancaster 8e 1459

Can you check your first post - Mary Segger? There's no Atkinson-Segger marriage.

I'm trying to see whether he had a middle name, but I can't find his marriage to check.

starr1 found a marriage, but is Ulverston the likely location? You don't know Ethel's surname?

I've tested the surname pairs for likely marriages against births, and I wonder whether this would be your Dennis:

Name: Dennis M Atkinson
Mother's Maiden Surname: Beal
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1924
Registration district: Wortley
Registration county: Yorkshire
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 652

Marriages Mar 1919
Atkinson Harold Beal Driffield 9d 593
Beal Ethel G Atkinson Driffield 9d 593

-- no, sorry, that Dennis died the year he was born.

Okay, Christine, I got your PM in answer to mine of Dec 2009 in answer to yours that I didn't know what it was about.

I found the thread by looking on the Atkinson surname board, fortunately.

(After you've read/posted in this thread, click on "My thread participation" first and then click on "Trying to Find". That's how to get out of the Atkinson "surname board" loop and see the entire Trying-to-find board where I and others read your post.)

Your message was:

Dear Janey,
Apologies for the delay, i'm trying to trace Dennis Atkinson, son of Harold and Ethel, lived in Leeds, England.
Kindest regards,
Christine

Let's have a look ...

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Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
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ATKINSON Harold Cartmell Ulverston 8e 1947
CARTMELL Ethel Atkinson Ulverston 8e 1947