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Hi Derek,

Think I've gone wrong somewhere. My tree has Joseph Slack b1758 married to Mary Birkcumshaw b1752c both in Derby.

I sure am pleased you are on my side...therse Slacks are a problem lot to sort out.

Thanks for your help
Jenny XX

Dear jenny..yes you have gone wrong........the facts are as i have stated...from parish recorfs..not from secondhand inf..haven't sorted it yet..but I will.....

Derek.

Hi Susan.......hold on to your hat.......this will come to you in stages..and you can rely on it as it all comes from my Parish record stock......
We will start with the background of one JONATHAN BARTON who married FRANCES BEESON at Repton 14.10.1828

(I'll type this slowly so you don't have to read fast !!!)

JONATHAN BARTON was the son of JOSEPH BARTON and ELIZABETH FITCHETT who married at repton 18.08.1795
I am not going back any further with Joseph because there would be an element of guessing..which i do but don't pass on......

ELIZABETH FITCHETT was born 08.08.1773 at Bradby derbys..the daughter of WILLIAM FITCHETT of Sutton on the Hill and CATHERINE COOPER who married at Measham 07.08.1770

CATHARINE COOPER was baptisedd at Measham 0.09.1749 daughter of FRANCIS COOPER and ELIZABETH.

That's as far as i can go back on Jonathan's line without uncertainty..but what you have there is FACT..

FRANCES BEESON his wife was baptised 22.10.1810 at Ticknall..the daughter of WILLIAM BEESON and ELIZABETH FURCHER who married at Clifton Clampville ( a few miles from Measham) 11.10.1798

ELIZABETH FURCHER was baptised at Clifton Campville 29.10.1775..daughter of Richard Furcher.......

..and for the same reason as above..i'm not going any further back....

Ist instalment only........John Barton to come..then the Burtons//etc etc.....I'm off to bed!!
By the way..Bradby is now BRETBY in the Parish of repton and by the way again......the Bartons DID move to Hampshire and took over the Fighting cocks Farm at Romsey..more tomorrow..
Derek.

hello derek
your number 1 fan here

i have been trying to find the maiden mame of nancy ? born 1807 debdale leicestershire ( or is it out of your area )married to thomas fullwood born 1804 ilkeston married 12/10/1823 i

daughter martha born 1825 ilkeston married to william purdy born 1821 heanor

i have found nancy on the 1881 and 1891 census liveing with martha and william purdy wrongly named hardy and pardy

thankyou very much for any help

sally w <3

Hello Susan..just a slight deflationary note.......what evidence have you that Emma Bridges wife of William Bridges, was actually EMMA BARTON??..for all the work we've done up till now..none of it can be linked to William Bridges.
There are a couple of trees on Ancestry that state coldly that
William Bridges married Emma Barton, without a shred of evidence to support it...and what happened to them after 1901....have searched for all the children and the two parents.......none of them are immediately visible, and although i have the print out for 1901 at 4 Bridge Street Stretton Staffordshire,,,,,,they were not there in 1911..have trolled the whole of Stretton 1911..no sign...of any of them......
It would be possible to look at the Birth Certificates of the Bridges children...and that would be the ONLY way to confirm Emma's maiden name.
I have all the information for you on Rebecca Burton and John Barton..and there is no doubt that cometime between 1871 and 1881 Rebecca moved south to Hampshire with George and Alice...whilst John (see 1871 Census..was living in the household of his Brothers Edward's wife and family in Burton on trent..and workingat the loacal Brewery with his other brother Herbert whilst Rebecca,Emma Alice and George were up near Ashbourne..possibly Etwall..

By 1881 he moved south to rejoin Rebecca at Fighting Cocks Farm in
the New Forest.or indeed went with her.
Strange thing is did Emma go with them,and come back by 1881?? or did she never go????? Why would she come back??? Both George and Alice barton remained and married in Hampshire. I know she was working in the same household as William Bridges at Hoon Hay..in 1881.but so were lots of others.....Doesn't mean she married him.
We're looking for a Birth registration or baptism for any of the Bridges' children that specifically state...son (or daughter) of William Bridges and Emma Nee Barton.
Without your assurance i have a niggling feeling that all this work might be wrong...........

Derek.

Sally..according to the ilkeston st mary Parish records..THOMAS FULLWOOD married 12.10.1823............to ANN PARRATT GOODALL.ooops!!!!!!.though Ann could be Nancy...I'll check where this lady came from..

Derek.

thanks derek
i did fined ann parrot goodall and i did wonder

sally w <3

Hi Derek,
Really appreciate all the work you have done so far on EMMA BARTON....I understand your caution.......

My grandfather was RAYMOND BRIDGES born 1910 Coton Hanbury, the son of THOMAS BRIDGES AND FLORENCE ANNIE NEAL born 1888 in Draycott.

THOMAS BRIDGES, my gr.grandfather was born at 125 Horninglow Road, Horninglow, Burton upon Trent on 19 May 1888......... I have his birth cert which confirms his parents as WILLIAM BRIDGES AND EMMA BRIDGES formally BARTON.......Please rest assured I am not sending you on a wild goose chase....Its just this Hampshire/Derbyshire thing that is puzzling and I am not convinced that Emma was born in Hampshire.

1881 Census shows Emma and William at Hoon Hay working for the same employer. Emma's birth place is shown as Burnaston........in 1891 they were living at Stretton with their children and as you know 1901 saw them at Bridge Street, Stretton........1911 Census shows them at Bridge Cottage, Wigginton, Tamworth

I also have a death cert for an Emma Bridges, wife of William an agricultural waggoner, same occupation as 1881. Death 23 June 1922 in Cauldwell Repton........I have no idea when or where William died.

Hope this will help to reassure you that I am not sending you round the huses..........

Susan



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EDIT ...I also have birth cert of RAYMOND BRIDGES, confirming date of birth as 11 Aug 1910 at Coton Hanbury to THOMAS BRIDGES & FLORENCE ANNIE NEAL. Fathers occupation, Farmers waggoner

Thanks Susan.....I am cautious only because i have a good name for passing on genuine primary research on which people can rely......and i am glad to receive your confirmation of Emma's maiden name.

OK..REBECCA BURTON............baptised 22.03.1840 Ticknall daughter of JAMES BURTON and SARAH nee SHREEVE..who married at Ticknall 28.08.1838.

JAMES BURTON was baptised 08.05.1814 at Ticknall son of Joseph and sarah nee Bradgate..who married 11.02.1802 at Calke (Ticknall)

I have Sarah Bradgate's parents etc..but too much info may confuse you.and i don't want to speculate about the origins of Joseph Burton (several options)

Becasue i have the ticknall PR's i also have a pretty full pedigree for Rebecca's mother Sarah Shreeve...but perhaps sufficient to say right now

that she was the daughter of DANIEL SHREEVE and SARAH nee BREARLEY..one of six children.and was baptised Ticknall 13.09.1818

DANIEL SHREEVE married sarah Brearley at Ticknall
I have his and his father's details.

Rebecca Burton had the following siblings:-

Abraham 1845
Ellen 1846
Moses 1850
James C baptised 02.06.1849 buried 09.08.1925
Sarah 1862.....

I have the dates of baptisms of all of these..but I am again cautious because there is some sort of mistranscription again.....undoubtedly rebecca's siblings and baptised at Hartshorne.....(They appear on the 1851 Census...

She of course married JOHN BARTON 22.05.1859..which leads us nicely to John Barton son of Jonathan 1836......later!!!

Derek.

Derek........Thank you so so much for the information, its amazing.
I completely understand your caution. I have also seen the trees you mention on ancestry with no confirmation of Emma and Williams marriage..........as they are direct ancestors I like to confirm the facts before adding them to my tree. Its so easy to add incorrect information and before you can blink its everywhere........

You have given me so much to go on.....I am really grateful. Dont know how you find the time to help us all !!!

Did see the census showing Rebecca in Hampshire with John but again dismissed it due to looking for Hannah....... Other thing that caused me to discount Rebecca and John was that Emma's birth cert showed her father John as an agricultural labourer but by 1881 he was in Hampshire as a farmer with 67 acres and employing 1 boy. Quite an improvement for a labourer :-S

Sounds like Joseph Burton has a shady background, certainly fits in to part of my tree.......... The Bridges side of my family have really opened my eyes.....its a wonder I am not completely of the rails.

Am going to have a really good look at your information now. Thank you once again.

Looking forward to the next instalment .........bring on the BARTONS

Susan :-D

Susan.....have already given you the pedigree of John barton and his father Jonathan..did you miss it??..all i can give you now is the dates for the siblings of John......

Children of JONATHAN BURTON;;-
with baptism dates...

Joseph 08.03.1829
Hannah 28.04.1831
William 24.11.1833
JOHN 21.08.1836
George 15.09.1839
Edward 15.05.1842
Herbert 20.04.1848

You may notice that the 1841 as SARAH FITCHETT (niece) baptised 22.02.1829..she is the sister of Mary the children of Elizabeth Fitchett...the mother of Jonathan..

Rebecca may not have taken Emma to Hampshire because they were still in Derbyshire in 1871....remember John and two brothers were in Burton on Trent........we will never know what happened between 1871 and 1881.....at some point John and Rebecca went south.....but there is no reason to think Emma went with them.....by 1881 she'd got herself a job,, (and a boyfriend!!) at Hoon Hay.

Sarah i think I've done as much as i can on this......unless you know better!!..in which case just shout.

All the best.
PS I do have access to all the baptism dates of the many siblings of William bridges..and probably of the Neales.

Derek.

Sorry Derek...my mistake I was so overwhelmed by the amount of information you had given me. I have now seen the BARTON details..........Really appreciate the time and trouble you have taken

Did you manage to find a marriage for Emma to William Bridges in Derbyshire. Perhaps she did indeed travel to Hampshire with her parents, get married to William and then returned to Derbyshire. Seems odd but who knows, guess it will remain one of those unsolved mysteries. Knowing my ancestors probably didn't get married !! but will continue to check in Hampshire.

On the subject of the Bridges family, I do have one question all though it is a long shot and I really don't expect you to be able to find anything but here goes...........

THOMAS BRIDGES son of William and Emma Barton was married to FLORENCE ANNIE NEAL on 20 November 1907 at Hanbury. Cert shows he was 21 but in fact was only 19 years old as confirmed by his birth cert.

FLORENCE NEAL had a child on 11 May 1905 born Draycott. The child was raised by Florence's parents along with their own children.....
the baby was named DORIS WHEELDON NEAL, her birth cert doesn't give a fathers name but I suspect it could be "Wheeldon" unknown.......

Are there any details of her baptism..........Would be wonderful if you could check for me and then I will leave you in peace.........

Thanks
Susan

Hello Susan.....not a chance of finding any more than you already know...sounds like naughty goings on!

It is curious that not only can we not find the marriage of William and Emma.....but the actual baptisms of all their children (in Staffordshire) also elude me........although the births are all registered...as you know.....I wonder if there are non-conformuist records anywhere that include them??? but the marriage is nowhere to be found even on Civil marriage registrations..in derbyshire or in hampshire..
I really doubt that Emma went to Hampshire.......if she did its a big romantic story..working together at Hoon Hay (by which time her parents John and rebecca are already in Hampshire ).....Her lover chasing down there after her..kidnapping her and carrying her off back to derbyshire to have his wicked way with her!!....and giving birth to george in 1882...........naw....

I do have the baptisms of William's siblings if you haven't already got them:-

Henry 10.12.1848
Thomas 30.10.1850
Mary 30.01.1853
John 28.01.1855
Grace 30.11.1856
WILLIAM 29.05.1859
Elizabeth 27.07.1862
George 18.11.1864

Two marriages for Emma's borthers in Hampshire:-

George Barton (1858 married Ellen Biddlecombe 1883 new Forest hants
Alice barton married Alexander Reeves 1884 new forest hants

I think for your own peace of mind you might consider that William bridges forgot to marry Emma Barton!!

Derek.

Hello Derek

I hope you don't mind my posting this info, which is a reply to the query posted by Doreen a couple of weeks ago.

Marriage 16th March 1824 in the Parish Church of St. Peter & St. Paul ( now the Cathedral church) Sheffield

Abraham Hudson, Bachelor & Nancy Cooke, Spinster both of this Parish.

Witnesses Joseph Hudson, ( don't think he is related, he was a Parish Clerk whose autograph is on many records)
& Samuel Cooke, brother of the bride.

Not an easy one to find, but I have viewed the actual register, and have a photograph of the record.

Regards,
Kath,

Derek..........have come to the conclusion that lots of naughty goings on this side of my family......think you are most probably right and that William did forget to marry Emma......must have been too busy with 13 children to look after :-S

Will take your advice and check some non-conformist records when I have a bit more time.

Again many thanks for all your help, don't know what we would do without you.

Susan

Susan..you're very welcome..I've no doubt you'll be back!! which is good.


Derek.

Hello Jenny.......Joseph Slack baptised Heanor 11.03.1758 was the SON of Joseph Slack who married Mary Bircumshire at \heanor 22.08.1752..................

Derek.

Hello Derek,
I have been desperately trying to find the burial place of my great great grandmother,She lived and died in Castleton, I have had the burial records searched at St. Edmunds Church Castleton, St Peters Hope ( where her parents are buried) and also St Barnabas Bradwell.
Although she was married at St. Edmunds Castleton, her family were Methodists and I do wonder if she was buried at Bradwell Methodist church, as this was the only none conformist burial ground in the immediate area of Castleton. I sent an e-mail to the Minister in charge of the area last December but have been ignored, I know the church closed some years ago and I have been in touch with the Derbyshire Registration people who have told me that the burial records for the time she died are still with the church, is there any chance that you could help me.
Her name was Elizabeth How, she lived and died at 15 Town Head Castleton, her husbands name was Samuel How, she died on 30th April 1884 aged 46 years.
The reason that I suspect she may have been buried at Bradwell Methodist Church is that she was born at Little Hucklow and her parents were still living there when she died in 1884, her parents were John and Martha Reeve, and were staunch Methodists and attended the Chapel at Little Hucklow which I think came under the auspices of Bradwell. I would be most grateful if you could help to shed some light on this matter.
Kind Regards
Harry Lees

Hello Harry..I'll do my best here..but it may not be good enough..one reason you drew a blank at Hope is that the Burial registers end in 1858..although the baptism and Marriages go on to 1897 and 1900 respectively.
I'll see if I can find out why, and where the people wh might have been buried at Hope after 1858,were in fact buried.......might include you Elizabeth How.
It's a bit strange...JOHN REEVE married MARTHA MIDDLETON 12.09.1836 at St. Peter's Hope..Anglican Church.
I suggest the Methodist influence flourished after SAMUEL HOW came on the Scene.........strange also because Samuel Howe was born 1818.and never married till he married Elizabeth Reeve in 1875.
BMD Registration says AMJ 1875 Chapel-en-le Frith..then of course he married again after Elizabeth died..to ANN HALL 1886..again registered at Chapel-en-le-Frith.....

I only have partial registers for Chapel and the surrounding area..but there were lots of Independent Chapels..Wesleyan Methodist and \Primitive methodist....Bradwell of course..Chinley Castleton and others....none of which i can help you with..
You say that Bradwell ceased to exist..but that the parish registers are still held by the Church......very odd.
I am a frequent visitor to Matlock Records Office..but chasing non-conformist records is always a nightmare..
I say Samuel How was the real spur to the methodism..becasue none of his records are to be found in Anglican Registers..Birth or two marriages..abd i don't know when he died..

So I am unable to help at this stage..but will keep looking..sorry not to be of more use.

Derek.

Hello Derek :-D. I have Francis Richardson marrying Sarah Higginbottom in Glossop any sign of a date for this. Also birth places and dates for their sons numbering 5 I believe. Specially interested in Joseph born around 1833.

Many thanks