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Hello Derek. I have Emily Andrews born 1863 Chesterfield with children Clara 1887 and Fred 1889 (these 2 born in leics) on 1891 she is show as widow. I have a note though I know where I found it that her maiden name was Headley. I would appreciate you taking a look for me and trying to work out who her husband and her parents were.

Thank you :-D

Hi LA.......difficult one is this!!..we're not going to find "Emily" born 186 Chesterfield......millions of possibles...and as far as can see there is no Emily Headley born Derbyshire in the few years either side of 1863

My copy of 1891 Census says "Derby" rather than Chesterfield.

However, working on the "Headley" possible maiden name..there is EMILY HEADLEY born Market Bosworth 4thQ 1865.

There is also a WILLIAM JOHN ANDREWS who married an EMILY HEADLEY in Leicestershire 4thQ 1889.....who then almost immediately died.

Here is a Derek type fantasy scenario......William and Emily were shacked up and had two children.Clara and Fred.......William then through illness or injury was dying and did the decent thing..married Emily and promptly popped his clogs........... :-S :-S

From the 1901 census we know that Emily mother of Clara and Fred had re-married a geezer called Barrett..and had two children Emily 1895 and Nellie 1898.......Clara and fred are now called Barratt.

There is one clue on the 1891 Census that you may have missed, and with which i am at present getting nowhere......Emily widow, two children Clara and Fred..as we know.......but also a WALTER A JUDKINS b 1876..who is described as a "COUSIN"..presumably of Emily..........I'm going through all the possible combinations that would make this relationship.
Favourite at the moment is a possible elder unnamed aunt of Emily who married a Judkins................which I am working on.
Jeez!! you're a pain in the neck!! xxxxx

Derek.

Aww Derek you love me really ;-).It is not me who is a nuisance it is these damn rellies :-|. Thanks for this for me to mull over :-D

Hi Derek,

You advised me the information about the Reveill family I had one my tree was incorrect.

Could you advise me about Amelia or Amy Brown born 1771, Bolsover, who married William Marsh. I have seen that her parents, according to other trees are John Brown born c1739 and Mary Higginbotham of Bolsover. Before, i add them could they are the parents. Also, can you tell anything more of their ancestry and or families

Cheers
Mark

Hello Mark..not much I can tell you except the following:-

AMELIA BROWN married WILLIAM MARSH 26.02.1771..can confrm that she was the daughter ..along with her sister Ann 1776..of John Brown and Mary Higginbotham married 03.09.1764..

Mary was born 17.04.1742 daughter of John and Mary.

...that's all I can confirm, becasue i don't have the Bolsover Parish records...but since they start at 1604.....a visit to Matlock will tell us more.......probably after easter.

Obviously I know all about the Marsh family..but so do you..cos we've been there before!!

Derek.

Derek,

Many thanks for that.

Talking about parish records up what point do you the registers for Langwith and Scarcliffe?

I am trying to confirm four ladies who appear in the census married were previously Marsh ladies.... but I can wait until after easter

Cheers
Mark

Mark...........SCARCLIFFE 1727-1910..
LANGWITH..from Matlock Records Office

so if its Scarcliffe you want..ask away.....

Derek.

Well I have Amy Marsh born c1829, daughter of William and Mary did she marry Emmanuel Allison in 1850. Her sister Mary Marsh born c1828 did she marry Matthew Jarvis in 1848, and sister Sarah Marsh born 1823 married John Common, did she marry said Matthew Jarvis in 1894 after death of sister.

Also, Mary Marsh born 1854 in Scarcliffe daughter of Saamuel Marsh did she marry John Green of Stockport in 1873.

The marriages are listed in Notts or Mansfiled District is this Scarcliffe or Langwith?

Cheers
Mark

Mark..Scarcliffe is Derbyshire.......Langwith is either Derbys or Notts..depending... lol!

Here's what I have in Scarcliffe.......all three girls are described as daughters of William (Peasant of Labourer)..though only one of them appear to have been baptised at Scarcliffe.....AMY 18.05.1829..d.of William and Mary

No sign of a baptism for Mary 1854 either....so cannot trace her marriage at Stockport....

AMY MARSH daughter of William (Peasant) married EMMANUEL ALLISON 04.02.1850..witnesses Henry Marsh and MARY JARVIS.

MARY MARSH daughter of William (peasant)..married MATTHEW JARVIS 24.01.1848 by Banns . Witnesses Joseph Jarvis and AMY MARSH

SARAH MARSH daughter of William (labourer) married JOHN COMMONS 24.11.1852 by Banns..Witnesses George Marsh and SARAH JARVIS

There is a BMD Civil Registration for a marriage (JUNE 1894 at Worksop Notts) between SARAH COMMONS and MATTHEW JARVIS.
You will decide if this is the one to which you refer.....

Derek.

Derek,

Many thanks for information. I feel that it does add weigh to what I believe

Cheers
Mark

Hello Derek,

I have been admiring your Derbyshire Parish records thread for some time and wonder where you find enough hours in the day!

I am researching WRIGHT from the Codnor/ Codnor Park/ Loscoe area, and unfortunately Wright seems to be a very common surname name around this area.

I have gone back as far as I can with the census and the earliest ancestors I have found are
JAMES WRIGHT (Born about 1775, Loscoe), and wife HANNAH (born about 1774, Wirksworth) (they are paupers on 1851 census, living with g'son James Wright (b1820 Heanor/Codnor) and his wife Mary Ann Carlin).

James and Hannah Wright as far as I know, had 2 children
William (abt 1800, b.Codnor), married Elizabeth
Thomas (abt 1815) - (the only James and Hannah Wright on 1841 census are in Riddings/Alfreton, with son Thomas)

I was wondering if you could find the marriage of James Wright and Hannah, and thus possibly her surname, and if you could find the marriage of their son William Wright to Elizabeth. I found a William Wright marrying an Elizabeth MEE in 1817 - though am not certain of this is my William?

Kindest regards,

Helen

Hello Helen..very nice to hear from you.

I'm not sure about this one, because ,as you say there are so many Wright's.and also becasue, although i appear to have all the necessary Resources, there are things I cannot find, such as the births of William and of Thomas...os indeed of JAMES C 1775.

What I do have is the confirmation, from parish records of the marriage of WILLIAM WRIGHT to ELIZABETH MEE 20.07.1817..grooms father James Wright.
I have the birthdates and baptisms of their (at least) six children..which might clear up a bit of confusion. In case you don't have them..here they are:-
James Wright born 20.04.1818 and John Wright born 26.04.1821.....both BAPTISED 24.05.1825
William Wright born 08.08.1829...Josiah Wright 02.01.1832.and Mary Wright born 26.07.1834...Thomas October 1836.....ALL FOUR Baptised 02.02.1837...
..this was a very common practice to baptise several children "en bloc" sometimes years after they were born.

SO where, for instance the census shows James c 1821....we now know he was born nine months after the marriage.

You may also like to know of another indication....Josiah Wright is so named.because the parents of his mother Elizabeth were JOSIAH and Sarah Mee......Elizabeth born 27.08.1797.

Almost certainly JAMES WRiGHT c1775 was the son of:-

JAMES WRIGHT and HANNAH KNOWLES..who married at Heanor 28.09.1773..which is confusing because it makes me query you own facts........because Hannah Knowles is listed as "sojourner"..in other words from elsewhere than Heanor..........wouldn't it be fun if that was Wirksworth????? where there is an appropriate Hannah Knowles....

It would solve a great deal if the marriage was a misprint and read 28.09.1793!!..but it ain't cos the records are in Chronological order.!!..and i also have evidence that they had at least seven children including a James Wright c1776.....

The absolute best I can do st least at the moment is a marriage 11.02.1793 between JAMES WRIGHT and HANNAH LOW at Horsley..which is the very next village to Heanor......

We're in very rarified atmosphere before 1800, because there was no compulsory Registration of births and many people were not baptised..and many records give only partial information.....
....and this family, as you say, appear to be very poor.....

I have exactly the same situation in my own family in Derbyshire at exactly the same time........abject poverty...

Let me know if I can help further...

Derek ( and keep reading my Thread !! I'm told its as good as the Sports pages!!)

:-D

sally w

WOW Derek

(better than the sports pages, I should add!)

Thank you enormously!

Re William Wright & Eliz Mee's offspring -
I also have a Betsy (c1841) and an Ann (c1827) just from census info (son James (b.1818) is my direct ancestor).
I thought that James and John may have been twins as they were listed as the same age on the census, so you have solved that one.

Re James Wright c1776 and his parents James and Hannah - could you tell me of the other siblings you found.

Thank you very much for what you have found.

Kind regards,
Helen

Happy Easter to you both <3 <3

Thank you LA..same to you and all the Gooner family.........including that lot playing Man C this afternoon!!

Derek.

:-D :-D :-D Derek

Hello Derek, this is a tall order but am looking for a lady named Ann, don't know her maiden name but she was born c 1810 at Hathersage, Derbyshire. Her name could possibly be cook, cork or deaken. In the 1851 census she was listed as the wife of Abraham Hudson and living at New Cliffe Gardens, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire. But can find no trace of a marriage. Thought you might like to get your teeth into this one. Cheers, Doreen.

Evening Derek, Can you see if you can find the date and place of the marriage between Joseph Arrowsmith and Fanny Mary Shaw approx 1879 Chesterfield and details of any of the children born to them in Derbyshire. Many thanks,

Hi Derek,

I'm looking for William Slack b1819 Codnor, Derbyshire. Please could you see if his parents are mentioned in your files?

Thank You
Jenny X