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Hi Derek

Sent you a message a few days ago and now realise I should have posted it on this thread instead. Am quite new to this and was not sure how it works.

You were kind enough to help with the GREATOREX entries in Shirley. I was looking for info about Sarah Greatorex born 1825.

Are there any details of the fathers of Sarah's two illegitimate children, Thomas 1850 and Susannah 1853 or am I correct in assuming they were baptised as "Greatorex" with father unknown !

Sarah's father, William who was also putting it about, had a "liaison" with Brenda, are there any details of a marriage or death for Brenda before William married Hannah.

This branch of my family never fails to surprise me its a wonder I am not completely off the rails !!

Any additional details would be really helpful.

Thanks Susan

Hello Susan.both Thomas and Susannah were baptised Greatorex..children of Sarah..no mention of father unknown.

But the 1861 Census may hold a clue......they are both named FEARN..along with two other children George 1857..Mary 1860.....the spacing of all four children in consistent..and I am very happy that George is the father of all four..........it is unlikely but not impossible that he would take on two illegitimate children.......I suggest they were both being very naughty and only decided to marry once they had two chidren.

In 1861 they are living with Hannah. widow of William parents of Sarah....One interesting point there is another of the children of William and Hannah..unmarried born 1820 called James. he does not appear in the Shirley Baptisms........but another chiod..who later married Elizabeth Sellars..is Joseph 1817.

No chance of finding Brenda without a first name...........though since I'm not busy I'll look for any brenda of appropriate age.
EDIT.....no "Brenda" baptisma or marriages at Shirley..so if William was playing around it was probably in the next village.....don't mess on your own doorstep!!!

Derek.
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Hi Derek
Thanks very much.
Your theory that all 4 children are George Fearns is most probably right unless he was a very honourable man and decided to take on 2 illegitimate children. Just seems a bit odd that the children were baptised with the name Greatorex instead of Fearn. Perhaps he didn't want to admit to the world that be had been a bad lad.

I did see the 1861 census with James born 1820, but haven't found him on any further census records. Wonder why he wasn't baptised in Shirley.

Any info that you can find regarding Barbara would be wonderful but dont worry if you cant find anything I know its a long shot. I have hit a brickwall with this line of my tree and its driving me crazy. Are there any additional details on the marriage record for William and Hannah.

Thanks for all your help
Susan

Susan.......Brenda of Barbara????????????? lol...William married hannah thacker 06.02.1811 , by Banna..witnesses Joseph Greatorex (his mark) and Sarah Greatorex.

Sorry Derek I got my wires crossed meant Barbara not Brenda - old age creeping in

Does it gives Hannahs father ??

Hi Susan..no..no arents for hannah..and she wasn't baptised at Shirley..unl;ess thacker was a married name from a previous marriage,,,,,

BUT......Sarah Greatorex born 21.05.1791 baptised 10.10.1793...daughter of Willaim greatorex and BARBARA...........no sign of a marriage.

ALSO..under GREATORIX rather than GREATOREX...Sarah..same dates..and Geroge Greatorix 15.07.1793.......children of William.......

So, maybe..this liaison that William seems to have had with Barbara..produced two children.........so if William was such an old goat.he must have been born c1770....several of those but not at Shirley....but a good dozen in very close villages...........if that is so..then Hannah Thacker might have been of the same sort of age..and a widow....but not from Shirley.

It's getting very complicated!!

Derek.

Thanks so much for looking.
it is very complicated......... Dont really think I will be able to figure things out, so many if buts and maybe's.
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May have to leave the tree at Thacker unless there is any general info on the internet. If William was born c 1770 it likely that Barbara was as well, so possible may have been a widow so no chance of finding anything. Oh well I guess it will be one of those mysteries we will never solve.
Thanks for your time in looking for me.
Susan

Hi Derek,
Another easy one for you.
1881 census Winshill
Nash Family
Samuel 1836 Sara nee Norwood 1843 (deceased)
Jane '64
Fanny '66
George '69
William '71
John '73
NK '76
Mary '80
Unless your eyesights better than my magnifying glass I think it is NK probably standing for Not Known. Obviously the family would know, but not the goon transcribing. The last 3 have burton as place of birth, but this is just the RD, I think they were living in Winshill by 73.
Can you check the PR's for Henry George 1st Qtr 86 and James Thomas 3rd Qtr 86
I'm sure you mentioned having the Winshill PR's somewhere in your thread.
Many Thanks
Warwick

Hi Warwick...not so easy. because the family you're talking about came from Droitwich in Worcestershire.....another Samuel Nash born 1836 at Winshill appears in 1891..again a widower appears in 1891 with two totally different children.....would help if i can find when wife Sara died.....I cannot find this family anywhere except on the 1881.;.

There is a George Henry or Henry George born 1876..not 1886..I'll keep looking.......and i am going to Matlock records Office on Thursday

Derek.

General Information! I am finally going to Matlock records office on Thursday.Lines remain open until 12 noon Thursday..any entries received after that will not be counted but may be charged for..at the usual extortionate rates!!


Derek.

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Hi Derek,
I just hate R.D's especially Worksop & Burton, why couldn't people born in Derbyshire register in Derbyshire!!!!!!!! I'm beginning to regret some of the curses I've uttered about Shardlow.
John '73 was the wife's maternal G'Grandfather, married Mary Dyche '77 another Burton RD.
Sam '36 supposedly had a sister Jane '32, appears in the 41 & 51 but no mention of Sam, so I'm not convinced there. I did suggest we might find out more from the Witch Finder General, but that didn't go down to well!
How much of the Whittington records survived and made it to Matlock?
Warwick

Warwick..give me a specific task re Whittington..or indeed Winshill..and i'll find out Thursday.........Registration Districts are vital to BMD's..like after 1837......all Parishes belong to a RD..and few people can actually distinguish between the tow.......I get enquiries from people who swear their ancestor was born in, for instance, Bakewell.......no they weren't..their birth, if after 1837, was registered at Bakewell Civil registration District..(pretty well half of Derbyshire)........said registration bearing no relationship to the actual baptism 20 miles away!!
You're right, its a nightmare, but a necessary one.

Stop grinning Gooner..if it's a Measham you're definitely excluded!!! xx

Derek.

Hi Derek,
Vital is totaly different from likeable, after all Taxes are vital.
Warwick

Awwwww Derek you are a spoilsport ;-)

o dear if i am one minute after will it cost me adozen bottles :-S


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Derek,
One for Matlock.
George Belfitt b 12/9/1819 Marsden Moor Staveley m 1/10/1841 Staveley d 1878. Wife Mary Revil b 1822/3 Sutton-cum-Duckmanton Staveley d 1896.
I am trying to proove the parentage of George.
I always thought his father was William b 1797 Whittington Bpt 15/4/1797 d 30/7/1854 buried St Barts Whittington. 1st wife (and mother of George) Mary Segat b c1800 Whitwell. 2nd wife Charlotte Kay b1809 Braithwell Yks m 18/7/1837 Whittington d 1895 also resident of St Barts.
The other scenario is:
Mother (of George) Elizabeth Belfitt b 1799 Staveley Bpt 28/10/99 never married, had 4 partners, 3 sons, (George the eldest) possible father Robert Wood c1795 Staveley.
Elizabeths Parents are given as John Belfitt c1761 Staveley & Martha Swift 1769. m 2/8/1791 Staveley d 1844 Marsden Moor
Please shake dice thouroughly, roll them carefully and let me know what score you get. (might be an idea to take a torch and a few days rations!)
Warwick

Hello Warwick..well the first thing is that i have the Staveley and Clay cross Records...

George Belfitt. baptised 12.09.1819 was the illegitimate son of Elizabeth Belfitt and Robert Wood (servant) of Stavely.

I also have the Sutton cum Duckmanton records..in which there are Revil's Revill's and Revell's.............the only two Mary's are both REVILL....one baptised 19.11.1809......and the other 15.05.1826..daughter of John and Ann......

IGI give a Mary REVELL 14.03.1824 daughter of George and Mary revell at Staveley (backed up by Pr's)......and IGI also give a strange "submiitted" record of mary Revil bprn Chhesterfield c 1818 who married George Belfist 06.12.1841..which is clearly as reliable as most "submitted" records are.......

There is no marrage anywhere for Robert Wood and Elizabeth, who seemed to be a lady who dispensed her favours liberally!..but the Staveley PR's state quite emphatically the facts of George's birth.

Derek.

EDIT.......John Belfitt illegit.son of Elizabeth 7.11.1831
Jonathan Belfitt 28.12.1828....ditto...