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hello Philip..I'm on to this for you..just an introductory point..you have the wrong George.....

GEORGE Fern 22.04.1808 Bonsall...son of THOMAS and Sarah..was buried at Bonsall 28.01 1809....

The son of Henry and Sarah (George) was actually baptised 11.09.1808..

There are two possible sets of parents for Henry who married Sarah Toplis (confirmed) 14.08.1791......based on being over 16 at age of marriage (1791)..

Henry FERN17.04.1768..son of Robert and Ann
Henry FERN 14.05.1772..son of John and Mary...

At this moment \i cannot distinguish between the two..but can confirm the baptism of Sarah Toplis at Wirksworth 1769....

more later..

Derek

Hi Derek,

I got George's dob and baptism from Wirksworth.org. According to the records on there George son of Thomas and Sarah of Middleton was born 1/11/1807 and baptised 22/04/1808. My George was born the day after the other was baptised - 23/04/1808 and, as you say, was baptised 11/09/1808.

The two Henrys you suggest are possible but the parents christian names don't crop up in the family which makes me suspicious - my Dad was the first Robert born (in 1912).

Cheers.

Phil.

Hello Philip.....we can discount one of the Henry's...the one baptised 14.05.1772 died in infancy and was buried 14.06.1772

I have found a HENRY FERN baptised Wirksworth 23.04.1769 son of Benjamin.....again no further indications as to he being the correct one.

Derek

Hi Derek
I was wondering if you could help me with this. I have a marriage between Nicholas Helad and Sarah Burrs which took place in Eyam in Derbyshire on the 13th of jan 1775. The family then moved to Braithwell between Rotherham and Docncaster and had children there. Lucky enough the vicor of the church at the time made notes on the baptism records of the childrens grandparents. Sarah's parents are listed as Robert and Helen (Ellen). Her surname appears as Burrows on these records. She died in Braithwell in 1836 aged 84. I've searched everywhere for her baptism but cannot find it anywhere.

Thankyou

Hello Derek............strange one is this!!..do | look for BURRS or for BURROWS??......I have been through the entire IGI index for Sarah Burrs...and there is nothing except her marriage at Eyam to NICHOLAS HEALD 13.01.1775

I have plenty of information on the HEALD family from the Eyam Parish Records......there are a couple of BURRS but they seem unconnected to your Sarah....

Looking for Robert and Helen (Ellin) marriage has also drawn a complete blank at the moment.......THE ONLY Robert Burr marriage in Derbyshire in the correct time scale was at Hope 1749 to a Martha Fox....but all their children are clealry registered in the Hope PR's and do not include Sarah'

You may not know that NICHOLAS HEALD and SARAH were still in Eyam in 1782...........their first child was ELLIN 27.08.1775..and their second was WILLIAM 27.08.1782..both at Eyam.
am currently looking at possible BURROWS...but that's a much harder job!!

All the best.

Derek.

Thanks for looking Derek. It's a bit confusing. I don't know why her name appears in two ways. It makes it even more weird that i can't find a marriage for Robert and Helen.

Hi Derek,

Have you had a chance to look at my William Parker enquiry yet?

Thanks,
Carol

Hi Derek,

Just wondered if you were okay as your thread is a little quiet.

Regards

Chris

hello derak
donnt cry we allways waht/need you couldent do wiyhout you

sally w

Hi Sally and Chris.....I seem to have deleted my reply to Chris..but yes. I'm fine..thanks for your thoughts.

Derek.

Hello Barbara..thank youi for your PM..........Joseph Calladine married Phoebe Bramley at Alfreton 29.11.1840..he is shown on the marriage record as being the son of Thomas Calladine....

I have a marriage of Thomas Calladine to Ann Gaunt 20.06.1808 at Duffield..which is at present the closest match i can find for a mother.......
bearing in mind that Alfreton and Duffield are virtually the same place..it looks likely..but no more tha that.

Derek.

Dear Derek,

Re Mary Hadley,

I wanted to thank you for the fantastic job you did in clearing up my great grandmother's family for me, I am pretty bad at filing things on my computer and have only just managed to renavigate myself back to your thread and am amazed at the volume of correspondence you have! I hope to visit Woodthorpe later this year, if anyone reading this thread thinks they may be related to Mary Hadley or Charles Shore I would be very interested to know of any other descendents. I think the only line might be Mary's eldest daughter, Annie, born 1860 who I think may have married a Helliwell.

Once again, Many thanks Derek.

Yours,


Joe

Hello Derek,

My relatives ended up in Derby at 53 Forester Street - Thomas Henry Livingstone b1877 and his wife was Emma Blackburn b1877 30 Bradshaw Street. There was a Brother who died William James 23/4/1891. 1868 - 1891.

I believe my relative was from Lewknor, but there are two Livingstones in the area. If I am right my relative was the son of David Henry Blanchard Livingstone, who married Maria Lipscombe

Any chance you can sort me out please?

You seem to have been such a help to so many - hope you can assist me

If I am asking the wrong type of thing forgive me!

Many thanks in anticipation, fingers crossed.

Jenny

Hello Jenny..sorry for the delay..I sent you a posting this morning.and seemed to have deleted it rather than send it!
No matter..I have now more information than I did this morning.
I'm not that brilliant with later 19th century without going to Matlock records Office,,but I do have other irons in the fire and have managed to put together quite a story for you..all of which is confirmed by successive Census records and other bits and bobs.......

They were and elsuve lot.Kent Cornwall Essex Liverpool and ventually,as you say..Derby.........Choronologically then:-

1811..William B Livingstone was born in Southampton..in 1840 he married Christiana (maiden name unknown) born 1818 Hagg Cornwall

In 1851 William was a Master Boatman in the Lifeboat Service ( which explains his moving around..and in 1851 was living in Lydd in Kent.
He and Chrisitiana had (by 1851) five children:
George T 1841 Kingston Portsmouth
DAVID HENRY BLANCHARD LIVINGSTONE born 09.01.1843.baptised 05.02.1843 at St.Mary's Portsea Portsmouth
Refrain F 1845 Kingston Portsmouth
John B 1848 Leigh Essex !!!
and..Kessia 1851..Lydd Kent

In 1861 young David H B Livingstone is in the Royal Navy (boy 1st Class) serving in the Congo West Africa........

By 1871 David has married Maria Lipscomb from Lewknor Oxfordshire..he is a Dock labourer in Liverpool and they have their first child WILLIAM J 1869 and a baby of 4 months Annie K

1881 as you are aware they are living in 53 Forester Street Derby and he is a Railway Goods Porter.with the following children>
William j 1869 Liverpool
Annie T (or K) 1871 Southampton
THOMAS HENRY LIVINGSTONE Derby 1877

1891 they are living at 2 Grey Street Derby..and Maria's father Frederick Lipscomb is also there on Census Night..all the way from Lewknor....I suspect he was there because Maria was possibly dying.which she did indeed do..not much later..becasue in 1901 David H H Livingstone has remarried a lady called Clara much younger than him from Atherstone in Warwickshire..and suddenly from being a Railway Porter he is a Confectionery Shop Owner..wonder where the money came from???lol

Back to his` son THOMAS HENRY..

In 1901 he is married to his wife Emma nee BLACKBURN...and living at 137 Webster Street Derby.with a two month old daughter HILDA E

Finally in 1911 they are at 132 Gersrd Street Derby..Thomas is a Lithograph machine minder.....they have been married ten years.HILDA EMMA is now 10 and at school.....and NELLIE another daughter is three years old..........

I bet you already know all this!!

all the best

Derek.

Hello Derek

I am absolutely amazed at all the information. Most of this was a complete mystery to me.

I do not know how to thank you enough for all the effort and time you must have spent.

I shall carry on now and try to sort the Blackburn side out - I was losing myself.

I'm staggered - no magic wands involved?

Many many thank yous

Jenny

Hi again Jenny..relax.I am working on the Blackburns right now........right back to Emma's Grandfather in Diss Norfolk 1797............at least....

Emmas father was William who married Emma Jackson.and who's father was Thomas Blackburn from Norfolk.....when I've collated it all I'll post you..but probably not tonight.....

No magic wand just the right sort of devious and contorted mind that can see round brick walls..........sometimes!!

Derek.

Hello again Derek

I can't see on a clear day sometimes!

Thank you again

I don't know how you do it - but please don't stop. You have found out so much that I hadn't a clue about. My dad, William Harold Livingstone never talked of any of his history so it's fascinating.

Many thanks

Jenny

Hello again Jenny...have sent you a PM..about details that you may not want to divulge on my Thread..simply about your relationship to the Blackburns..i have unearthed a massive amount, most of which may be irrelevant to you....I will then put anything you need on here.

\derek.

Jenny.......OK..let's forget the Blackburn's for a moment..have just found more information about the Livingstone's............this miight do your head in, unless you are very good at making notes...........

I have an original copy of the Marriage \certificate of the wedding of David HB Livingstone to Maria Lipscombe 29.12.1867 at St John's Lambeth Surrey..i.e in London......which shows his father (as I have already told you ) as a Master Mariner............what they were doing in Lambeth in 1867 God only knows...went with the job I suppose........

I also have details of David's parents William and Christiana ( William b. 1811.Christiana b 1814 died 1871)..which explains the BLANCHARD part of David's name............Christiana was CHRISTIANA BLANCHARD from........Cornwall!!!!!
All the siblings of David were christened with Blanchard as middle names.....might be interesting to find out why...........were they not married.???..............anyway here is a complete list of the children of WILLIAM and CHRISTIANA nee Blanchard......
George Thomas B Livingstone 1840
David HB.....1843-1910
Refrain Jane B..1845-1939........so Refrain is a girl!
John B 1848
Kezia B 1851-1868
Eleanor Christiana B 1851-1868
Samuel William B 1860-1860

In every case the B is Blanchard followed by Livingstone.....

David HBl died in Derby September 1901

Christiana died in 1871..and the old goat William Livingstone re-married in 1876 to a 58 year old RACHEL BROWN.....

You asked for info!!..as always the ferret instinct means you and others always get more than you bargained for,

Blackburn's tomorrow!!

Derek.

Notes taken!!!!!!

I don't know how you do it, but it's excellent - the stationery cupboard at work will start to look a bit thinner next week!

Have looked for a marriage but couldn't find one.(William and Christiana)

Night

Jenny