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Hello Derek,
Re Augustus Campbell. Many thanks. I'd just be grateful for anything you might find,
Debbie

hello derek

thanyou derek

ihad lorraines thread book marked as she was my next port of call i can not beleive the amount of info she found

i would be gratefull with any thing you have foundand you said you have some photos i will also pm you

you deserve a gong for all the hard work that you do for everybody as well as a few bottles

sally w

Hi Derek.........I'm back with a further request if you don't mind.

It's with regard to George Jagger whose baptism you found for me (on page 46 of this thread), son of George and Mary. I haven't been able to find Mary's maiden name, and also have a query with regard to the name Columbus.

In 1881 census George is shown as having a son George Columbus Jagger aged 10 years, but going by wife Elizabeths age I felt perhaps he was their daughter Sarahs illegitimate son. She was shown with them in the 1881 census, by now married and with her daughter.

In the 1871 census, young George is listed as George C Jaggers staying with the Gillatt family in Hasland but fortunately for me in the occupation column it states, son of Sarah Jaggers an employee in a tobacco factory. Sarah is at home with her parents George and Elizabeth and her occupation ties in.

I have also found a George Columbus Jagger born in Sept q 1856 in Chesterfield, son of Samuel and Sarah Jagger. Samuel was the licencee of the Marquis of Hartington in Chesterfield. I feel that there may be a connection between the two families for them to both use Columbus as a middle name and wondered if you would be able to find it for me. Knowing how brilliant you are I'm confident that you will.

Any chance you could try and find Marys maiden name for me.

Thanks

Chris

Hi Derek,

Many thanks for your kind offer. I wonder if you could confirm a marriage date for me as I have 2 for the same people courtesy of family search.

birth: 1816
parents: James Peach
spouse: John Thompson
marriage: 09 Aug 1837 — Derby, Derbyshire, England
record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Thompson
groom's birth date: 1816
groom's age: 21
bride's name: Judith Peach
bride's birth date: 1816
bride's age: 21
marriage date: 09 Aug 1837
marriage place: Derby, Derbyshire, England
groom's father's name: Samuel Thompson
bride's father's name: James Peach
bride's marital status: Single
indexing project (batch) number: M01310-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1041169

or

spouse: John Thompson
marriage: 28 Jul 1837 — St. Werburgh'S, Derby, Derbyshire, England
record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Thompson
bride's name: Judith Peach
marriage date: 28 Jul 1837
marriage place: St. Werburgh'S, Derby, Derbyshire, England
indexing project (batch) number: M01339-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1041184

If any other information is available that would be appreciated too.

Thanks for all your hard work.

Regards

Janet

hi derek as you know i amm researching the harrison family and joseph harrison is buried there i just thought what is he buried in a castle for and thanks very much to you i have got the answer .i have to admit i know i am nosey but i enjoy reading up how you help people hence that is why i think you are a walking encyclopedia just imagine people pay researchers hundreds of pounds to do what you do i think you are a fantastic man to do it out of the goodness of your heart

I quite agree with Lindas comments, what you do is brilliant, you are a fantastic man and very generous with your time helping us all.

Chris

Hello Linda..thank you for your very kind comments.......I was rather hoping you might give me some work to do!!.....although I am basically a Derbyshire "expert" i do have otherirons in the fire......like Leicestershire.....and it gives me great pleasure to solve probelms..so its not entirely unselfish!

Derek.

Chrissie.....you'l have to give me a bit of time on this one.....very complicated..probably needs a visit to Matlock Records Office..bear with me.

Derek

Sally..thanks for your Email..will send you what i have as soon as..probably tomorrow.

Derek.

Hi janet..the correct entry is 09.08.1837 St Werbergh Derby.......Both of them are 21`years of age...Judith's father is James Peach..and john's father is Samuel........this is backed up by later Census records to which i have access.........if you need later details like children..just ask..

Derek.

Hi Derek,

Many thanks for clearing that up for me. I may be back as I now see you also 'do' Leicestershire. You've been very helpful.

Many thanks
Janet

Hello again Chrissie..I told you this was complicated!!!! but my ferret's nose has maybe sorted out at least part of you problem:

GEORGE JAGGER 1778 Chesterfield married MARY BOWER 18.12.1803

they had the following children:-

Elizabeth 05.03.1811
Emma 05.03.1815 (married Joseph Turner 04.10.1836)
GEORGE 06.10.1816 married Elizabeth of bristol
LEMUEL !!! 10.06.1821 married Sarah.......

there are four other children of George and Mary....

there appears some confusion as to whether LEMUEL is in fact Samuel..but he is everywhere (including IGI) listed as Lemuel..on the 1861 Census he is very clearly Lemuel Licensed Victualler aged 39....the handwriting is, for a change very clear...

He and Sarah (by 1861) had three children:-

GEORGE COLUMBUS born 14.08.1856 christened 28.12.1856
Henry Edmund 1860..who married fanny and appears on the 1890 Census with her children
John born 10.08.1858 christened 12.09.1858..

you sort of mention this Colombus in passing.."there is another George Columbus..etc......".........but it is crucial that he is the son of Lemuel (Samuel) BROTHER of George son of George...

Having trolled through the first 5000 Jaggers on IGI..it is remarkable what a vast majority of Jaggers came from Yorkshire..particularly the Sheffield and Rotherham area. Methinks your Jaggers must have originated in Yorkshire..the very first Jagger in Derbyshire is MARY JAGGER South Wingfield married 1723..and the next at Peak Forest 1748..which may have led to a Jagger family in Glossop..JOHN JAGGER married Mary Harrop at Glossop 20.12.1831..

The only other significant Derbyshire entries are your lot at Chestefield

I have just found a child of Lemuel's son Henry Edmund and Fanny,,Chestefield 04.09.1884 MARGARET JAGGER (christened 10.10.1884)

Right i'm going after the "other" Columbus!!

Derek.

Chrissie..addition to message immediately before this one...

The link between the two GC's is of course that George and Lemuel were brothers....
I think its ok that George C son of George and Elizabeth is ok,,,,they would have been in their 40's..so just about ok......whereas Sarah' daughter Clara Elizabeth (21.12.1876) is that of Sarah nee Jagger and Thomas Colman.....but can't find their marriage!!....(1881 census has GC and Sarah as son and daughter.although she is a Colman (Coleman) as is Clara Elizabeth a Coleman and grand-daughter. Where Thomas Colman is is anyone's guess!!
further EDIT 18.01..the ferret strikes again!! have found a Probate ruling that settles the LEMUEL / SAMUEL debate for ever!:-

06.01.1873: "Administration (with the Will) of the Effects of LEMUEL JAGGER, formerly of Soresby Street and latterly of West Street Chesterfield in the County of DERBY Licenced Victualler who died 16.10.1872 at West Street.. was granted to SARAH JAGGER of West Street WIDOW the Relict the Universal Legatee for Life if she remain a Widow" Effects under £100........

I think you're all sorted!! until the next time!!

Derek.

Hi Derek,

You are an absolute star.

The other George Columbus born 1856 that I had found was the son of Lemuel/Samuel and Sarah. I was hoping that George Jagger and Lemuel/Samuel were brothers but certainly didn't expect you to be able to confirm it for me so quickly.

I am going to order the birth certificate for George Columbus born in 1871. I'm still convinced he was the son of Sarah, not George and Elizabeth. I will update this thread once I have received it. It looks like Sarah married Thomas Colman in Sept q 1873 in Sheffield district. If I have the right man, in 1881 Thomas Colman is in Sheffield district shown as a lodger. he is down as married (wife not with him,) occupation is coal miner which my Thomas is in 1891.

What a bonus you finding Marys maiden name and also a probate record for Lemuel Jagger. I can understand why transcribers thought it read Samuel, thank you for clarifying his name for me.

I cannot thank you enough. You are so kind.

Regards

Chris

Hi Derek, thankyou, Ann and Abarham are my great gran parents and margaret Bell is my gran but im struggling to find information on my gran father, Taliesin Thomas who married Margaret. Born 1889 mountain Ash Wales.I havetrace a lot of the Bell and parkin side of the family and yes they was from Kilburn denby and Belper and other areas you stated. I have never visited the places mentioned but hope to one day. If you find any more information about the bell or parkin side of the family ie occupation, were they lived or when they died wolud you let me know. By the my mother Dotorthy also went on to have 14 children just like Ann. Thankyou for your help Derkek

I have just been reminded by Chrissie that she was my very first enquiry on these pages back in 2008...........It occurs to me that there may be other of my earlier correspondents still around whom, in earlier days , I may not have been able to help as well as i could now.
As the number of my resources, together with my ability to ferret. have increased.....perhaps I can do better these days..........

Derek.

Hi ferret how are you LOL ??

Great lass ta!

Hi Derek (aka ferret lol)

I see from your reply to Linda that you also have access to Leicestershire records. I have had some help from Mike the Leicester Lad in the past but still have some quieries I need answers to. Is there any chance you would be able to help me. The parish I need some help with is Breedon on the Hill.

Regards

Chris

Leicestershire records ?? I did not know you had those Derek some of my Meashams came from Leicestershire. Maybe you an help