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Hello Sandra.this is not easy!!!..don't suppose you have his Marriage certificate?????? would tell us where he married Elsie and his father's name..........was he born in Derbyshire or Notts????

Have found your Wyld family..from Clay Cross..but moved to Arnold Nottingham..........the earlier children being born in Clay Cross..the later in Nottingham.

There are a number of George Farnsworth's..........one of whom was born in Clay Cross!!..but why would he move to Nottingham???

Possible clue is that both he and Elsie's father were Coal Miners.....and movement across the Notts and derbys Coalfields was very common.......but to tie him down would need some link between them........because my George Farnsworth is still in Clay Cross in 1901.

There is,at the moment absolutley nothing to place the right George in the right place........and I don't have records after 1911........

but I'll keep looking

Derek.

Ok Molly.........how about this then??? you need to go sown the list of children of William and Sarah.........

WILLIAM GOULD 06.02.1786 (died 1870)..married SARAH FEARN 23.06.1806........He is the son of your William 1748)

THOMAS GOULD 05.07.1808 married SARAH YEOMANS on 13.08.1832

They had the following children:
Mark 25.08.1833
William 20.07.1834
John 05.07.1836

Thomas 11.03.1838
Mary 18.11.1841
Sarah 17.12.1843..who married Israel Hudson 06.06.1860

still got a clear head??

DOROTHY GOULD 08.04.1810 died 25.02.1874 married Thomas Hall 08.05.1834

DANIEL GOULD 1815-1871 married BETTY LEE 13.02.1837 and had the following children:
William b 04.04.1837 chr.19.04.1837 and Mark 30.09.1838 died 03.08.1840

Daniel is known to have married a Sarah..sometime later..not checked that out yet.

JOSEPH GOULD 27.10.1816 died 1871 married ANN SMITH 04.03.1840 and had two children Mary 08.04.1842 and Sarah 03.05.1840

JOHN GOULD 30.04.1820.married a Mary in 1850...

this could go on for ever......how much more do you need??? lol

Derek.

derek sandra sorry i dont have my grandads marriage cert. but i do know they married in1st 3 months of 1915 in basford notts i seem to remember my father saying he once lived on st ann wells road notts so i think he may have been born in notts i will do a little digging myself and let you know what i come up with sandra

derek sandra the closest i come to a george farnsworth is in the 1911 census but born in 1882 notts still living in notts when census was taken but cant gain acesse to 1911 census could you look for me to see where he was living at that time is it still chapel yard the same as the 1901 census its a long shot but we still have a chapel yard in arnold to this day not far from where elsie was born just a walk away or maybe it is st anns notts

maybe just a long shot

sandra

Derek
So much more info, you are a miracle, unbelievable. Give me time to organise what I've got, you work a lot faster than me!!! Then I'll be back if that's O.K?
You are my Superman!!
Molly

Molly It's ok .

Sandra.........we might just have cracked this!!!...But there is no Chapel Yard existing in Nottingham.I live there........and about ten minutes away from Chapel Lane in Arnold..........between Furlong Street and High Street..but there was a Chapel yard in 1891 and 1901...........

I do have the 1911 Census details.and IF your George Farnsworth is in fact George F Farnsworht we might just be in business..and its all down to Occupation!

Here's how it goes.....1911

16 kimberley street Sneinton Nottingham:

George Farnsworth b 1849 Derbyshire..widower aged 62.

Has four sons...

GEORGE F FARNSWORTH 1882 Nottingham PACKING CASE MAKER Single
Arthur 28 Gas Stoker
Herbert 22 Factory Porter
John 18 Box Cutter Cardboard......they are all single..

So I looked on earlier Census Records for a match..Bingo

In both 1881 and 1891 we have a george and Sarah Farnsworth living in Chapel yard Nottingham........

In 1891 they have a son

George F Farnsworth who in 1901 is a PACKING CASE MAKER.............!!!!..born 1881/1882

George senior is born somercoates derbyshire 1849.......I think these are the people you're looking for..
Let me know what you think.

Derek

Derek,

When you next get around to looking at the Marsh family for me I wondered wether there any any records for illegitmate children because I have come across somwthing that looks odd.

Samuel Marsh born 1805 at Scarcliff married Sarah Wood and they had a number of children including two sons both named William both surviving into adulthood. One was born in 1835 but it the second born Langwith in 1863 I am curious about.

In the 1871 it states that this William is the son of Samuel and Sarah who would be 58 and 54 when he was born! I believe I have this William in 1891 census living in Brentwood Middlesex born in Langwith. In 1891 he has his mother Jane Marsh a widow aged 48 living with him from Scarcliff. If she was 48 in 1891 that would put her birth date at 1843. Samuel and Sarah had a daugther Jane born 18463.

I am right do you think that Jane was a unmarried mother and they tried to pass William off anonther son rather than as a grandchild?

Regards
Mark

PS Whenever you get round to Pool family from Whitwell, I think there is a similar scandal

derek i dont know what to think it seems to fit with him being george f farnsworth my fathers first name was frank!!!!!!!!! i know he moved back to arnold they lived on acton road arnold my grandad i mean i have managed to get hold of my mum and dads marriage cert. but it does not help only that his fathers name was george but with no f and his job was laundry yard that was in november 1945 i wonder if he worked at daybrook laundry i will have to send for georges birth certifcate to find out for sure if you keep digging i will let you know when i get the certificate

thanks sandra

Hello Mark.....but if Jane Marsh born 1843 was a widow.her maiden name would not have been Marsh..................

Derek,

I think Jane Marsh would hide being an unmarried mother, by calling herself a widow.. it saves a lot of explainations especially when she and her son William had moved to Middlesex where no-one would know her history

Regards
Mark

Hello Mark..I think you're right..I have the full record.......and Jane and Willioam are living together in Acton/Ealing in 1891........I'll get back to you with the line of Marshes from Samuel........haven't yet got to see the Langwith or Whitwell records yet....but the Marhs family were active from Langwith to Scarsdale to Whitwell and through to Worksop.......I'm enjoying ot all coming together.....

Derek.

hi Derek
its Rose here i can see your very busy, but was wondering if you have had any luck sorting our confused MORTON family out? Thank You

Thanks Derek for the prompt reply regarding John William and Hannah Walker. That's amazing! I have been struggling with that for a year! The fact that John's siblings emigrated to Australia maybe why his son Charles emigrated here. I would be interested to know if John and Hannah's firstborn who died in infancy was named Fred/Wilfred. Each of Charles four children had a son named Fred or Wilfred - obviously a family name. Now that I know Hannah was married as Hannah Sidebottom I can order the marriage certificate to find out their families. It's a mystery why Charles family thought Hannah's maiden name was Hibbert.
Hope this is the right way to contact you - haven't done it before and couldn't work out what to do.
Thank you so much!
Peta

Derek,

I did google "william marsh" and Langwith this morning which flagged someone's website list Derbyshire Settlement Orders and Bastardy Order.
The former for Scarcliffe has
19 Mathew Marsh and family, Nether Langwith 1740
SC1 William Marsh and family, Nether Langwith 1741
The Bastardy Oders for Scarcliff have
B23 Elizabeth Hardwick 15. Oct Female, William Marsh 1826

I don't whether this is of any use to you

Cheers
Mark

Hi Derek,

Wonder if you can help with my family

looking for the Birth & parents of William Carnell who married Margaret Bingham on 9/10/1766 Tideswell I belive he may have been born in Litton around 1735

Thanks

Jenny

Hello Rose..forgive me.....I can't find your enquiry..perhaps because I haven't looked back far enough

If you'd like to post your enquiry again I promise to give it priority

Very sorry.

Derek

Hi Jennifer..I do have the Tideswell Parish records. Litton is a small village a couple of miles away........William Carnell was not baptised at Tideswell.........but he may have been baptised at Taddington in 1737..but the only information on that is that his father was called William.......I'll keep looking...

However..I do have good information on the family of MARGARET BINGHAM..like parents and grandparents.and siblings..all at Tideswell..(people from Litton were baptised married and buried at Tideswell)

I have the children of William and Margaret..Ellen 1768..Emma 01.10.1769..Thomas 1780........and GEORGE 22.06.1777..the only one to be baptised at Tideswell......he married Ellen Hall 09.04.1798 and had NINE children.details available if you want them.....Geroge died at bakewell september 1863

Will keep looking...

Derek.

Hi Derek,

I have george's Children (thats my decendant line) didn't have his death record so thats great.

I have Margaret's Binghams birth but not death. I have her parents & 4 siblings as well as her Grandfather Hecules wife Elizabeth Low and 4 of Margaret's siblings. If you can find anything further on them that would be wonderful.

Think that William Carnell had an earlier marriage to Ann in 1757 they had 3 children but I don't have the Marriage or her surname.

Thank you for taking the time to help

much appreciated

Jenny

A question about the dreaded Measham family ?Do you know if the school registers for Repton School are kept at Matlock please ? I have found 6 of the folk on another related site but don't want to have to pay out £30 to view them. Many thanks.