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Francesca

Its as you say if ALlan would come back and let us know where he got his info from then it wouldnj't be too bad but until then we are stabbing in the dark

Jackie

Thanks Jackie. So that marriage makes it look as if Andrew Paterson is still alive or more likely, the registrars were still finding their feet as it was the first year of registration.

Freewheel has found Charlotte as "Jess". She has been found as Paterson and as Fyfe. I am wondering if Mr Fyfe was the ONLY one that she actually married and that's why he is the only one named on her death certificate.

Ellen - She may never have claimed Poor Relief if her children to Andrew were adults when he died. It is worth a try but I don't know if the Poor Relief records for that area have survived or what information they would give or where they would be held, any ideas? - sorry I'm only familiar with the ones for the Glasgow area.

Thank you Jacqueline, I thought it must be me that was getting confused but it seems to make sense to me.

Kath

This is all becoming a tad confusing

The Charlotte Fyfe death that I found had a William McCulloch as the person who registered it and then it has been posted by Kath that he was married to Margaret Paterson who was Charlotte and Andrew Patterson's daughter. So if she did not marry a Fyfe how on earth is her son-in-law from her daughter to her first marriage registering the death.

As I said all very confusing

Linda

Peter Snr and Jnr are both Miners and her father is listed as a farmer, All parents still alive by looks of things
Witnesses were a James Gardiner and John Adamson

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JOHN SCOTLAND Pedigree
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Spouse: ANN FARLAN Family
Marriage: 23 DEC 1804 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland



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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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M114667 1799 - 1819 1040355 Film 6903194 Film


Sheet: 00



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Wild Guess

As i said POOR RELIEF

Charlottes death was registered by her son in law, and the only details he has supplied as to her parents is
Father _______ Scotland, Sailor. No mothers details.

I looked on the censuses and found Charlotte and they give her birth as anything between 1793 and 1813 and in Clackmannanshire. However I could not find her in Clackmannanshire on the Old Parish Records.

There is one Charlotte Scotland born in Scotland during this period and this was in Glasgow to a Thomas Scotland, Shoemaker and Margaret Clark on 28 July 1805. It may be she was born elsewhere and moved to Clackmannan early.

You would need to check further for this.

Tom

Dearie dearie me! Mary is Margaret in 1881!!

Name: Peter Gardiner
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Par, Clacknshire &
Registration Number: 466
Registration district: Clackmannan
Civil parish: Clackmannan
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Rd. Sending From Alloa Ot Kincardine Of Forth
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 33
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_130
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Gardiner 50
Margaret Gardiner 48
Andrew Gardiner 22
William Gardiner 16
Thomas Gardiner 14
John Gardiner 14
George Gardiner 12
Robert Gardiner 9


Source Citation: Parish: Clackmannan; ED: 4; Page: 7; Line: 1; Roll cssct1881_130; Year: 1881.

1861 Census

Name: Peter Gardiner
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Clack, Clackmannan
Registration Number: 466
Registration district: Clackmannan
Civil parish: Clackmannan
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: 28 Kennet Village
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 42
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1861_62
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Gardiner 30
Mary Gardiner 28
Peter Gardiner 4
Andrew Gardiner 2



Source Citation: Parish: Clackmannan; ED: 4; Page: 7; Line: 9; Roll CSSCT1861_62; Year: 1861.



1871 Census

Name: Peter Gardiner
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Kennet Village, Clackmannan
Registration Number: 466
Registration district: Clackmannan
Civil parish: Clackmannan
County: Clackmannanshire
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 35
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1871_80
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Gardiner 40
Mary Paterson 37 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Peter Gardiner 14
Andrew Gardiner 12
James Gardiner 9
Wm Gardiner 6
Thomas Gardiner 4
John Gardiner 4
George Gardiner 2


Source Citation: Parish: Clackmannan; ED: 4; Page: 5; Line: 21; Roll CSSCT1871_80; Year: 1871.



1891 Census - No Mary

Name: Peter Gardiner
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Par, Clackmannansh &
Registration Number: 466
Registration district: Clackmannan
Civil parish: Clackmannan
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Kennet Village Priv Ho
Occupation: Retired Coal - Miner
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 45
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1891_144
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Gardiner 60
John Gardiner 24
Robert Gardiner 20


Source Citation: Parish: Clackmannan; ED: 4; Page: 7; Line: 21; Roll CSSCT1891_144; Year: 1891.

Thanks for looking at that one Jackie. No help really as it doesn't seem to say if the mother has remarried! I assume that it doesn't say deceased after Andrew's name. Any occupations given on it please? Any witnesses?

Thanks Jackie.

I have looked at the marriage for Peter Gardiner

details are 25 June 1855


Peter Gardiner age 24 born 24 July 1831 Kennet Village Clackmannanshire
Charlotte Paterson age 23 born 25 Sep 183 ther is no other number Knowhead Clackmannanshire
his paretns are Peter Gardiner and Euphemia Bonnar
hers Andrew Paterson and Charlotte Scotland

Jackie

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Margaret Paterson Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: Of, Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

Christening: 08 APR 1836

Death:
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Parents:
Father: Andrew Paterson Family
Mother: Charlotta Scotland


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Marriages:
Spouse: William McCullough Family
Marriage: 15 JAN 1855 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland



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Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband.


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ROBERT GARDINER Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 17 APR 1871 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

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Parents:
Father: PETER GARDINER Family
Mother: MARY PATERSON


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No source document or additional information exists.


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GEORGE GARDINER Pedigree
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Birth: 13 FEB 1869 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

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Father: PETER GARDINER Family
Mother: MARY PATERSON


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CHARLES GARDINER Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 12 JUN 1873 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
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Parents:
Father: PETER GARDINER Family
Mother: MARY PATERSON


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

No source document or additional information exists.


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Source Information:
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C114663 1868 - 1875 6035516 REGISTER Film NONE


Sheet: 00

1881
Name: Charles Gardner
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Parish, Clackmannanshire &
Registration Number: 466
Registration district: Clackmannan
Civil parish: Clackmannan
Town: Clackmannan
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Main Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 64
Line: 3
Roll: cssct1881_130
Household Members: Name Age
William McCulloch 44
Margaret McCulloch 44
Charles Gardner 8


Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information c

John Glen c1847 Clackman who is a boarder with Charlotte Patterson c 1813 is with William McCulloch in the 1871 Census,so Charlotte married Fife in 1853Name: Margaret Mc Callich
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : William
Gender: Female
Where born: Clackma, Clackmannanshire
Registration Number: 466
Registration district: Clackmannan
Civil parish: Clackmannan
Town: Clackmannan
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: South Side
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 31
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_80
Household Members: Name Age
William Mc Callich 33
Margaret Mc Callich 33
John Glen 23


Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this

Poor Relief records are needed to see if Parents names are given

There's a big age difference between Charlotte Patterson,and Charlotte Fife?

Yes,i'd like it cleared who she married.Charlotte Jess states born in Tillycoultry .