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Maura , have you got a direct line to parish records in Ireland ?
how do you get the info so quickly ? I can't keep up writing the info down , let alone adding it to my tree ....
once again thank you

Peter jr married Rose Grant 3rd Jan 1872 same church as Stephen & Bridget

I have just read the will and it is so sad , but thanks to all you kind people I am now on a roll .....
WE LOVE YOU ALL ! ! ! ! !

No Irish death records don't include maiden names

I
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I posted this summary of deceased Peter Farrells in Armagh on page 2:

1840-1906
>> 1817-1897
1825-1900
1818-1889

that one and the 1818 one having been the two possibilities, in view of the birthdates of the sons and the likely birthdate of wife Alice (the death record I posted on page 2).

Is there any chance that Alice's actual death certificate info would include her birth surname, oh ye Irish experts?

;-)

Bridget Farrell married a Peter Brannon 21st January 1869, same chrch as Stephen.

O M G that is incredible info .
My gt gt grandfathers will plus the info that Stephen died before his father .
many many thanks
Pete

Maura you are a Godsend , that has got to be my gt gt uncle .
thank you so much for the help ...
Pete

Found Peter's will

Title : Date of Death : 25 July 1897
Surname : Farrell Date of Grant : 12 January 1898
Forename : Peter Reseal Date :
Registry : Armagh Effects : Effects £41
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Full Abstract :
Probate of the Will of Peter Farrell late of Carrickbroad County Armagh Farmer who died 25 July 1897 granted at Armagh to Mary Farrell of Carrickbroad Widow.

Mary Farrell is Stephen widow
Full will on http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm

Stephen Farrell married a Mary Murphy 18th January 1871 Meigh Roman Catholic Church in the parish of killevy civil district Newry Co Armagh


Forgot to add Stephen father's a Peter

I am trying to make sense of them at the moment , especially the marriage of Stephen .I have asked Clover where he found the info .
It is a bit overwhelming to get all that info at once . but I will work through for any links .

Peter, do you know whether any of the Farrells in the Irish census on the previous page are yours?

And how about the Stephen Farrell marriage Clover has suggested? He was the one shown in the earlier English census as married, if I recall correctly without hunting back again.

If that's his marriage, the certificate could tell you things maybe.

If the people in the Irish censuses are related, it would give you other names to use in searches backward. Sometimes if you can't find your own ancestor's baptism record, for instance, you can find a sibling's. Or, if you're looking for your ancestor's parents' records, you might find records for a parent's siblings.

Hi Clover, I am sorry if I am confusing everyone .
I have reasonable records now of Michael and Margaret once they arrived in England including their marriage in church at Chorley . and their lives in Liverpool . It is his father Peter and his mother Alice ( who we believe stayed in Ireland ) that we are now interested in .

HI Janey , yes that is Michael , I checked on the original and it is most definately him . (more mistakes than enough in transcribing my ancestors)

This, presumably, is the marr

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FARREL Michael WILLIAMS Margaret Chorley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RO/12/164

[It could be a rego office marr, but back then, the registrar would also have to attend all non-conformist marrs.]

Just for ref
The GRO(I) index thru 1958 (excl N. Ireland post-partition) is available at:
https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE

One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
[Not heard of any release dates for next census (=1926 in both Irelands)]

Marraige????
Farrell Stephen Newry 1871 Volumn 1 Page 1022.

These are in Ireland?

Yeah, Peter doesn't make it easy. We'd been talking England up to then.

So I assumed we were talking about this couple in the 1911:

Marriages Sep 1902
Cross William W. Derby 8b 528
> FARRELL Margaret W. Derby 8b 528 - daughter of Michael - ?
> French Joshua James W. Derby 8b 528
Rigby Elizabeth Maud W. Derby 8b 528

Clarity hoped for!

Same Michael Farrell or different?????
Had a look on Irish Nationalarchives.ie
1901 House 30,Carrickbroad,
Farrell Michael (head) age 39years R.C. County Armagh. Sailor.
Farrell Catherine wife age 35 years R.C. County Armagh
Farrell Mary B. Daughter (no age on image) R.C. England Bootle
Farrell John Son age 10 years R.C. Liverpool
Farrell James Son age 9 years R.C. Liverpool
Farrell Katey Daughter aged 7 years R.C. Liverpool.
Farrell Rose A. Daughter Aged 5 years R.C. County Armagh.
Farrell Michael F. Son (no age on image) R.C. County Armagh.
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Living next door
House 29 Carrickbroad, Jonesborough,
Farrell Mary (head) age 50 years. Farmers wife.
Farrell Mary A. Daughter age 17 years Single.
Farrell John Son. age 12 years. Single.

1911 Census House 64, Carrickbroad.
John (aged 24 years) is Head of household living with his sister Mary Alice Mulholland (Married) and their niece Mary B. Hart.
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Living House 74 Carrickbroad,
Farrell Kate (Head) aged 36 years R.C. County Armagh. Farmers Wife Married.
Farrell Mary Daughter aged 14 years County Armagh
Farrell Sarah Daughter aged 11 years " ""
Farrell Brigid Daughter aged 9 years
Farrell Michael .Son aged 5 years.
Farrell Patrick Son. aged 3 years.
Farrell Owen Son. aged 0 years.

1911 Census Owen (Kates Husband) is back home. Living House Number 88, Carrickbroad. They are Married 27 years. Children born 9. Children still living 7.Niece Sarah aged 8 years visiting in 1911.
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House 32, Carrickbroad,
Farrell James (Head) aged 80 years County Armagh Farmer.
Farrell Anne Wife aged 70 years County Armagh
Farrell John Son aged 40 years " "
Farrell Elizabeth (D-I-L) Aged 39 years.
Farrell James Grandson aged 15 years.
Farrell Hugh " aged 11 years.
Farrell Patrick " aged 9 years.
Farrell Minnie Grandaughter aged 7 years.
Farrell Maggie " aged 3 years.
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House 24 Carrickbroad,
Farrell Rose (Head) aged 65 years County Armagh Farmer Single.
Lennon Susan Sister aged 67 years. " " Widow.
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All houses are in
County Armagh.
D.E.D. Jonesborough.
Barony Orior Upper.
Parish Killevy.
Townland Carrickbroad.
Division Armagh.
So assuming that they are all related, also
1901 Census
Barony Orior Upper, Townland T?raughill Otra,
House Number 60, Faughil Otra, Jonesborough.
Farrell Peter (Head) aged 50 years. County. Armagh. Farmer.
Farrell Rose wife aged 48 years, " ""
Farrell Alice Daughter aged 26 years. Single.
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You don't make it easy ...

Just in case anybody else is interested, is this Michael Farrell in 1911?

FRENCH MICHAEL 1837 74 West Derby Lancashire

Born Armagh, living with Margaret (Farrell) and Joshua French and John Farrell.

Ah, excellent, the names tie up. Michael had a brother Peter and a daughter Alice.

For 34 posts, you're sounding like an old hand. ;)

There are some Peter Farrell deaths in Armagh at

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

1840-1906
1817-1897
1825-1900
1818-1889

Only the certificates might tell something, and even they might not.

There's one Alice Farrell death:

Name: Alice Farrell
Registration District: Newry
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1888
Estimated Birth Year: 1818
Age (at Death): 70
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101594
Volume Number: 1
Page Number: 680
Digital Folder Number: 4200676
Image Number: 00292
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

Could be worth considering.

The three brothers were all born before civil registration started.