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Oh no,I am going to HAVE to look at them,cant stop myself.

But the only Frank Probert I can find in 1911 to fit is in Llanelli/Llanelly born 1890 and married.

Its about 20 miles away?

Pendine is kind of on the border,next to Narberth,so you must have the correct family Janey.
Wish they had just left all the boundries alone over the years.

Wonder why they arent with William and that lot?

Yes I knew my grandmother, she lived with my parents until she died age 95.
my mother lived in Laugharne until she was 16,
My grandmother brought her up..
Frank Probert on the marriage certificate, no occupation, as far as I can remeber.

Fascinating, Viv!

Your 1911 household has the father and Samuel -- mine has the mother and Margaret??

The rest of the household in 1901:

William Pearce 51
Elizabeth Pearce 50
Margaret Pearce 20
Mary Lizzie Pearce 9
William Benjamin Pearce 7
Margaret Butler 51 (lodger)
Elizabeth Butler 21
Margaret Ann Bulter 3 month

1881, for good measure, to show other children:

William Pearce 31
Elizabeth Pearce 30
Selina Pearce 8
Anny Pearce 5
Samuel Pearce 3
Margaret Pearce 1


In 1911, is this Margaret with her mother?
(I searched for Pearce in Pendine and this location was what resulted)


PEARCE ELIZABETH F 1850 61 Narberth Pembrokeshire
PEARCE MARGARET F 1879 32 Narberth Pembrokeshire

also in household:

PEARCE OWEN M 1904 7 Narberth Pembrokeshire
PEARCE EDITH CELINA F 1901 10 Narberth Pembrokeshire

Christine.
How do you know her mothers name?
Did you know your Grandmother?

Did they always stay round st clears way?
Was Rose brought up there?
Who brought her up?
Does she have a fathers name on her marrige certificate?and if so what was his occupation?

I am the Lampeter side of Carmarthen by the way so I do have a bit of knowledge on the area.,

After my mother had passed away, I found her marriage certificate, and the name Frank Probert as her father.
I had never heard of his name or ever seen it anywhere before. This was a complete shock.
To say my grandmother was secretive was an understatement !!
I think it is time I put this to rest, I will never find out .
Thanks for your patience and help
kind regards
chris

Yeah I know,I tried for any Rose births too,but as you say none for Probert or Pearce at that time in that place.

This is the pearce family in 1911,no Margaret 1881 or Rose 1907.
But a little Elizabeth?

Prob the young couples daughter?



HOUSEHOLD PEARCE WILLIAM M 1850 61 Carmarthen Carmarthenshire
HOUSEHOLD PEARCE ELIZABETH F 1876 35 Carmarthen Carmarthenshire
HOUSEHOLD PEARCE ELIZABETH J F 1904 7 Carmarthen Carmarthenshire
HOUSEHOLD PEARCE SAMMAL M 1877 34 Carmarthen Carmarthenshire

Just for good measure, no Pearce or Probert was registered in Carmarthenshire in Q2 or Q3 1907. There were 8 registrations for a Ros* name but only one Rose:

Births Sep 1907
Howells Rose Ellen Narberth 11a 1297


Viv - could have been registered as Probert with father's consent even if parents unmarried; or could have opted to use father's name later in life anyway.

Uh ..

"Jane Kanuk -YOU ARE CONFUSED."

Yup. That's what I said. (Kanuk?) Repeating for emphasis?

I'm confused because your post is about a Rose Pearce, but your mother (from her marriage registration and your birth registration) was apparently Rose Probert.

Did you want to edit your subject line etc. to put the accurate info in?

Her mother's name may well have been Pearce, but there's apparently no reason to think that was Rose's name, since she used Probert in records.

Of course, she could have been registered as Pearce and known who her father was, and used his name.

Now, is the father's name on the marriage certificate Frank Probert? That really is a crucial bit of info.

If your mother was Rose Probert and her mother was margaret Pearce,how did Rose get the surname Probert if Margaret wasnt married?

I had the wrong marriage, Viv! No initial on the right one.

No this is not her...

Jane Kanuk -YOU ARE CONFUSED.
.I am looking for a D.O.B for Rose ...Have not found her on any cencus ......I am certainly confused.
I have all the info on my Pearce family tree... Lot of secrets about my mother !!!!
grandmother Margaret Pearce, Name of my mother Rose Probert >>> My mother never knew her father,
I just hoped someone would have better luck than me in finding her somewhere !!!

What is the A initial stand for on the marriage please?

Well I'm confused!

You're looking for Rose Pearce 1907, and you say "Name on Marriage certificate. Rose Probert"

And you say:
"Know that her mother was Margaret Pearce.. Father ?
can go back to the 1700's on the Pearce tree, but cannot find out anything about Rose. "

If you have the marriage certificate, do you not have her father's name from there? Or is no father stated?

You have her mother's name and all her ancestors - so what can't you find out about her? Her birth/father's name?

Please never leak out info in dribs and drabs -- I see now you've posted a ??father's name (from where? why the question mark?). Just tell whatyou know! *and* how you know it.


Is this the marriage?

-- edited -- I see which marriage it is and will omit it for privacy.

Yes, these are her parents, where can my mother be ? No sign of her anywhere....

Her father - Frank Probert ???
It will remain a mystery I think..

Is this her mother?

1901 Wales Census
about Margaret Pearce
Name: Margaret Pearce
Age in 1901: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Pendine, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil parish: Laugharne
Ecclesiastical parish: Laugharne St Martin
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub-registration district: St Clears


How do you know her mothers name ?

Know that her mother was Margaret Pearce.. Father ?
can go back to the 1700's on the Pearce tree, but cannot find out anything about Rose.(my mother) Would have known if her name was Margaret (I think) . Name on Marriage certificate. Rose Probert...
Everyone Thank you x

Hi Christine.
a wild card. Lots of girls called Margaret were known for some reason as Rose.

Birth Jan.March Qtr. 1907 Margaret Elizabeth Pearce. reg in Carmarthen (for Pendine and Laugharne vol 11a 1263.

As she was your Mother, then I suggest if possible looking on the marriage certificate to find out how she gave her name also who was her Father. and his occupation.

I have two in m y family named Margartet, both known as Rose.

If you get the marriage records then you should be able to make some progress as they should be on the 1901 census. Hope this helps. Ethel.