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HiJaneycanuk, I have been following this saga with interest. I looked on 1911 census for Jenny, and it is definitely 'Henry' not John George.

Also with the 2 different spellings, maybe it would be best for Jenny to start from the beginning, buy some certificates, and go on one step at a time.

I am interested, because this links with my family tree.

Cheers, June

Now we just go back a page from 13 Union Street, to find 7 Union Street.

In 1901, 7 Union Street is occupied by

Elizabeth A Bouie 60
William R Bouie 36
Frederick H Bouie 33
Caroline H Bouie 31
Albert E Bouie 28
Henry C Bouie 25
Edward R Bouie 23
Francis Fenton 51

The surname is actually Bowie, I'd say. No Clarkes, though.


The Clarkes on Peppercroft St (John G and household) are on page 30 of district 7.
7 Union St is on page 40 of district 7.

Just for an idea of proximity.

... I had checked the district description for the Peppercroft St Clarke household already and failed to notice Union Street ...
You can read it here:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=7814&iid=KENRG13_711_713-0309

The other 1891 Florence is admittedly more of a puzzler:

Mary Ann Parfitt 42
Kate Parfitt 23
Henry Parfitt 17
Henry Clarke 28 - cement labourer, boarder
Ellen Clarke 19 - "
Florence Clarke 1 - "
- address 13 Union St

Marriages Mar 1891
Clark Henry Gravesend 2a 716
Parfitt Ellen Gravesend 2a 716

And no obvious birth for that Florence, as Parfitt or Clarke.

That Henry is 4 years older than the Henry in 1911, though.

Ah. Here is that Florence in 1901:

Mary A Parfitt 53
Emily Elvey 34
Catherine Parfit 36
Henry Parfit 26
Arthur Martin 15
Florence Clark 11 - granddaughter, born Gravesend
- 13 Union Street


The second spare Florence down.

Jenny ... I don't get it ... it's a straightforward question:

Have you viewed the 1911 image for the Henry + Jane Clarke household?

If so, does it definitely say Henry for the father?

This 1891 household:

Alfred J Clark 28 - general laborer
Amelia A Clark 22
Ellen A Clark 3
> Florance E Clark 7/12
- address 81 Charlotte St, Milton

is this household in 1901:

Alfred J Clarke 38 - Beerhouse keeper
Ellen A Clarke 33
Ellen A Clarke 13
> Florence Clarke 11
Alfred Clarke 9
Amelia Clarke 5
- address: Kentish Hotel beerhouse, Hawthorn St

and is this household in 1911:

CLARK ALFRED JOHN 1863 48 Milton Kent
CLARK AMELIA ANN 1868 43 Milton Kent
CLARK ELLEN AMELIA 1888 23 Milton Kent
> CLARK FLORENCE E 1890 21 Milton Kent
CLARK ALFRED GEORGE 1892 19 Milton Kent
CLARK MILDRED 1896 15 Milton Kent
CLARK ANNIE 1901 10 Milton Kent


One spare Florence down!

It was the name change that I was querying so I knew which name to look up on freebmd for her father! I have been told that censuses were often mis written & could be wrong! Especially as not everyone could read & write & it was often down to the clerk recording the information to get it right! Therefore the difference in the number Union Street could have made a difference in me going down the wrong path.

Sorry for any confusion I may have caused!

When I saw another Florence nearby I was then wondering if I actually had the right florence. Again worrying I might not be following right lead.

If you knew the background to my Florence then you would understand why I am double checking everything!

Also I have been in touch with someone on genes who knows her father was put in an orphanage at 2 & Florence was his mother. There is a death record on freebmd which ties in with the little boy being orphaned at 2 years old! So again there is a very complicated story to this one for me!

Thanks for all your help. I will take a look tomorrow for things when I have a bit more time time.

Jenny x

Jenny, it would help if you'd say what you have done.

It has been suggested, and then I've asked twice: have you viewed the 1911 image?

The essential question is whether it has been transcribed correctly.

You may have viewed it and know that it was. But if you don't tell us, we don't know.

Note the edits to my preceding post.

Those are two different Florences, and neither one appears to be yours!

No That wasnt a waste of time at all. As I said before thank you.

Im now trying to trace Florences father back further to maybe get his parents & Unless I know for sure whether its John George or John Henry I dont know which way to go! I could be adding people to my tree that are not even my family members, so I have politely asked if anyone knows if there is another way of me looking at this to get a confirmation in some way. Or if there is maybe another piece of the jigsaw that more experienced researchers know of that can help me confirm this. I have looked on medway city ark under luton but so far havnt found John George & dont want to follow that lead if its wrong.

I apologise to everyone if I have offended anyone but as Ive said in previous posts im politely asking for help! What I wasnt expecting was someone being that abrupt with me. When you are learning you are looking for help & support to point you in the right direction when you get stuck. I would hope that people would see from reading my post that im new to this & apart from censuses, baptisms, marriages I dont know where else to look.

Sorry once again. I hope that everyone will understand that I wasnt trying to backtrack just move forward.

Thanks again.

Jenny x

I don't understand this:

"She is still there in 1901 census but the older man & woman dont appear to be Henry Clarke & Ellen Clarke (possible nee Parfitt)."


1901

Alfred J Clarke 38 - Beerhouse keeper
Ellen A Clarke 33
Ellen A Clarke 13
Florence Clarke 11
Alfred Clarke 9
Amelia Clarke 5
- address: Kentish Hotel beerhouse, Hawthorn St

This must be that Florence in 1891:

Alfred J Clark 28 - general laborer
Amelia A Clark 22
Ellen A Clark 3
Florance E Clark 7/12
- address 81 Charlotte St, Milton

Births Dec 1890
Clark Florence Elizabeth Milton 2a 795


1891:

Mary Ann Parfitt 42
Kate Parfitt 23
Henry Parfitt 17
Henry Clarke 28 - cement labourer, boarder
Ellen Clarke 19 - "
Florence Clarke 1 - "
- address 13 Union St


They aren't the same Florence.

Jenny ... that was a waste of my time, eh?

I already gave you the details of the 1901 household.

I've checked the image again. The address is

42 Peppercroft St

Again, the household details are:

John G Clarke 32
Jane Clarke 33
Henry J Clarke 12
Florence Clarke 6
May B Clarke 5
Frederick Clarke 3
Amy Clarke 1
John Clarke 10

The same as the household details for 1911 for the parents and eldest child, Florence, except for the father's name.

Have you actually viewed the 1911 image?

That can be done at the official 1901 census site - search by address.

http://www.1901censusonline.com/search.asp?wci=ad_search

It's pay per view, however, so unless someone has spare credits ...


This address does show as occupied (just search for Union, Gravesend):

7 Union St Y Kent Milton Christ Church Gravesend Gravesend Milton Next Gravesend

Hi Everyone,
Still tying myself in knots trying to prove this one! I dont have access to looking up census via address only person. So I was wondering if anyone who does could look up 7 Union Street on the earlier censuses to see if Florences Dad is still at that address & what name he has? Is it John George Clark/e or John Henry Clark/e? dob 1869 Luton? 1901 census looked up by person says head John G but someone looked up 1911 & says Henry but dob is the same? I cant see the record to see if its an error from the original transcript!
On Florences baptism parents are John George & Ann Clark but on marriage it says John Henry Father but there are two witnesses J.G & J.H Clark. (Although this could be the mother because her name is JANE!!!!)
Address is 15 Ifield Street at time of Florences baptism(19 Feb 1893) Address is 7 Union St at time of marriage.

This is really getting to me now! Does anyone have any helpful ideas that might be a way forward? Just cant seem to move on this. Also there is another Florence living at 13 Union St Age 1 est dob 1890 on 1891 census which is making it more confusing to me!. She is still there in 1901 census but the older man & woman dont appear to be Henry Clarke & Ellen Clarke (possible nee Parfitt).

Would be greatful for any help in solving this for me!

Jenny x

Thanks for letting me know that Luton is on medway city ark! I had no idea.
Jenny x

Checked the 1901 census for you, and this is the family, in Milton, Kent:

John G Clarke 32
Jane Clarke 33
Henry J Clarke 12
Florence Clarke 6
May B Clarke 5
Frederick Clarke 3
Amy Clarke 1
John Clarke 10

So indeed, John George it is. You should definitely look at the original image for the 1911 to see what's up. John G's age matches "Henry" in 1911 - a year younger than Jane. There may be a transcription error of some sort.

John G in 1901 is a house painter, born in Luton, Kent, so you can check the 1911 against that, too.

Thanks. ill take a look on site & find out libraries.

Jenny x

Thanks ever so much for your help everyone.

Its definately my Florence Clark & Jane was her Mum, although dont have any details on her yet.

However on her baptism & marriage records at medway city ark it says her father was John George Clarke (with an E). Living at 42 Peppercroft Street, Milton, Gravesend, Kent at baptism. He was a labourer on batism & painter on daughters marriage.
So need to investigate further.

Florence had quite a colourful life. Had children by different Dads, so its possible that her mother may have had more than 1 partner too!

Can anyone tell me how much credits are please? Does the site take credit card details or how do you purchase credits? If credit card is the site safe?

Still learning so I apologise if these questions seem silly but im fairly new to all this.

Jenny x

Well ... you do need to try it out yourself, but since I'm there ...


CLARK JANE 1867 44 Gravesend Kent
CLARK HENRY 1869 42 Gravesend Kent
CLARK HENRY 1889 22 Gravesend Kent
CLARK FLORENCE 1893 18 Gravesend Kent
CLARK AMY 1901 10 Gravesend Kent
CLARK ELSIE 1903 8 Gravesend Kent
CLARK DORIS 1905 6 Gravesend Kent
CLARK GLADYS 1908 3 Gravesend Kent
CLARK MARY 1910 5 MONTHS Gravesend Kent

Oh, and guess what. I used "7 Union Street" in Kent for "residential place", and it returned the same household!

This is the only Florence Clark of about that age in Gravesend:


CLARK FLORENCE 1893 18 Gravesend Kent

If you search for people named Clark living with Florence Clark in Gravesend, it looks like her parents were Henry and Jane, and there are various siblings. (I double checked by searching for people named Clark living with Florence Gladys Clark, combining her name with one of the names living with her, and they all do seem to be in the same household.)