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Hello Peter

I am back

a long and frustrating day with London traffic.

I am glad you are ordering certificates.

Sometimes each partner may have had two or three marriages and each of the previous partners may have had several marriages and they do not know what to call the stepchildren. Sometimes step children take on stepfathers names. sometimes call them neices and sometimes lodgers. It can get very confusing.

I am off to look now.

Thanks for all the help so far, please don't give up on me. The Scotland information is so interesting!!

I have just ordered the marriage certificate - estimated despatch 22 July and it will take at least a week after that to get to New Zealand.

Would I be surprised if there is no father named????

Peter

Here is another puzzle.Agnes Kissock in 1881 census in Scotland she is now Agnes Kissock Hannah and with her is Constance Elizabeth Nicholson born 1866 when she was married to Allan nicholson he died 1876.
The husband of Agnes now is Archibald Hannah born 1833 in Troquer Kircudbrightshire.
He was first married to Jane Kirk Smith born Scotland,they were married in 1859 in Birmingham,they had a daughter Constance Boyd Hannah 27/8/1862 in Worcester and according to someone's tree on Ancestry she married James Mc Michael born 1834 Scotland and died 1894 in Gisborn New Zealand.
Allan and Agnes had Janet (Jessie) Nicholson 1865 on the 1881 she is down as step daughter but on 1901 census with archibald in Scotland it nows says she is his niece!!!!!
All this seems very complicated,but there seems to be alot of coincidences with the same names popping up.
Certificates are a must with this family.

Maryb

Thanks Christine - that has put the cat among the pigeons!!

Facts that I know:

John SMITH Spalton b 1889 and brother Harold Frederick BOYD Spalton b 1894 (d 1896).

Their father Thomas Spalton b 1856 Bottesford, d 1931 Paddington. Living 1901 in Battersea, occ Poulterer/Fishmonger.

Thomas married 1883 Constance Jane Boyd Smith - b c 1861, d 1900

I know all about the Spalton family - I want to find Constance in a census. I could get the marriage cert, but at the moment I am wondering who on earth she is.....

In 1871 she(Constance Smith) is in Birmingham as niece of John and Mary Smith, with (presumed) siblings James, Elizabeth and Margaret.

In 1861 the siblings are in B'ham with parents William and Elizabeth Smith - together with two Nicholson brothers.

Am off to bed - back in the (NZ) morning

Peter

I am going to work now but I still feel you have unsafe info


Could you start with what you know as a fact.

I will look again tonight

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I think it must be. Thanks.

Can't find any of the Smith's in 1881 though :-) "

Sounds like a sure way to build a fictitious tree. You must be able to corroborate your tree with a record




Births Jun 1862 (>99%)
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NICHOLSON Constance Jane Boyd Birmingham 6d 40

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Deaths Mar 1864 (>99%)
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NICHOLSON Constance Jane Boyd Birmingham 6d 16

I thought you might like to see FMP version with slightly more info
It may help

1861 Address: 19, Legge Lane, Birmingham
SMITH, William Head Married M 32 1829 Draper Travelling
Scotland
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 29 1832 Drapers Wife
Scotland
SMITH, James Son Unmarried M 4 1857
Birmingham
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 2 1859
Birmingham
SMITH, Margrat A Daughter Unmarried F 1 1860
Birmingham
GREY, Thomas Boarder Unmarried M 24 1837 Draper Travelling
Scotland
NICHOLSON, ... Boarder Unmarried M 27 1834 Draper Travelling
Scotland VI
NICHOLSON, ... Boarder Unmarried M 23 1838 Draper Travelling
Scotland
DRAPER, Jane Servant Unmarried F 17 1844 Servant
Hampton in Arden
Warwickshire
REED, Annie Servant Unmarried F 12 1849 Servant
Harlington
Middlesex


1871 Address: Anderton Street, Birmingham
NICHOLSON, Allan Head M 38 1833 Scotland
NICHOLSON, Agnes Kissock Wife F 34 1837 Scotland
NICHOLSON, Janet Daughter F 6 1865 Warwickshire
NICHOLSON, Constance Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1867 Warwickshire
NICHOLSON, Allan Mcdonald Son M 2 1869 Warwickshire
NICHOLSON, David John Son M 0 1871 Warwickshire
SHEPHERD, Catherine Servant F 12 1859 Warwickshire
LANCASTER, Emma Servant F 21 1850 Warwickshire VIEW
WHITSITT, Robert Boarder M 24 1847 Ireland
STEPHENS, John Boarder M 24 1847 Ireland

Looking at original I agree Archibald and Allan

I think it must be. Thanks.

Can't find any of the Smith's in 1881 though :-)

Peter

And this isn't her?

1881 England Census
Name: Constance Smith
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Gender: Female
Where born: Bham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Handsworth
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 124 Villa Rd
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Book Keeper (Clk)
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Horton 35
Jenny Horton 36
Arthur Beardsall 20
Constance Smith 19
Charles Walker 24
Henry Walker 19
Walter Stokes 16
Lydia Jones 36

I must be going mad - afraid I am now at work and don't have ancestry access - will get back to it in about 12 hours time.
I have been looking for constance for a long time - she married my great grand uncle so i didn't really want to spend money at that distance for certs. She married as Constance Jane Boyd Smith and I hit lucky yesterday when someone found her born as Nicholson.....but I haven't a clue who her parents would be - she is with her "aunt and uncle" also smiths in 1871 (with "siblings" who are Smiths - and no sign of the parents......haven't yet got her in 1881 - she married 1883 and died 1900
Gets curioser and curioser.

Peter

Allan and Agnes also had a daughter Constance elizabeth born june 1866.

Maybe Constance was the name of Allan and Archibald's mother.

if not it is a strange coincidence.

Maryb

Hi Peter,I don't know where you are looking when you say the female above Archibald.
it says male age 27.
I'am sure it says Allan.

Are we looking at the same one!!!!!!!

Maryb

the birth certificate will give you more information

Births Jun 1862 (>99%)
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NICHOLSON Constance Jane Boyd Birmingham 6d 40

Mehibuld is definitely Archibald. You can see it quite easily when you enlarge the image. He is male.

Thomas Grey, Allan & Archibald Nicholson are all unmarried Travelling Drapers, born Scotland, boarding with the Smith family; William & Elizabeth Smith both born Scotland. William is a Travelling Draper. Their children, James, Elizabeth & Margaret, are all born in Birmingham.

Ozi.

I wish I knew! I think the female above Arhibald is the mothert - but cant read her name. Constance married William Spalton (as smith) - interestingly her children use Smith and Boyd as middle names.....

Peter

So could Constance be the daughter of Allan and Agnes,do you have the birth certificate of constance.
1871 constance down as niece to John smith born scotland 1832 and wife mary,he is a draper.
Is john the brother of william Smith born Scotland 1829 and a draper who the Nicholsons were lodging with.

Maryb

The person above Archibald in 1861 is another male, ..Allan ?

...it's the one above Archibald I need I'm trying to sort out the mother of Constance Jane Boyd Nicholson b 1862 who seems to have been adopted by the Smith family who are in the same house as ????? in 1861

Peter

Peter

looks like Archibald to me! An unmarried male Draper born in Scotland.

This may not help,but on 1861 census there is Allan Nicholson 1834 also a draper like Mehibuld.
On 1871 census Allan is married to it says Ames Kessick Nicholson,but is actually Agnes.
Who are you actually looking for and who in the Nicholson family are you related to as we may able to help in other ways.

Maryb