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Thank you janey I will look on scottish people ,
regards sandra

I'm afraid after all this time I've kind of lost the thread here, but for the specific question: you can search for the marriage at FreeBMD as we all can:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

I searched for the marriage of a

Gribble
Ph*
to a
Mc*

and there isn't one. (Just a Philip Gribble to a McNeill)

Does your contact not have some facts about this marriage? Date, place; children? How do they know about it?? Is McClarren actually the spelling of the surname? It's kind of difficult searching for things if we don't have accurate spellings.

I forget whether there's a reason there is no birth findable for a Pheobe (Phoebe?) Gribble. Oh ... right ... Scotland?

Well, at Scotland's People there are two Phoebe Gribble marriages 1905 to 1930. Somebody is just going to have to pay to look at them, I guess! And there is one Phoebe Gribble birth 1885-1895.

The marriage info will give parents' names, so the person will be identifiable.

We don't know whether you have followed up on any of the other advice here -- specifically things to be searched for at Scotland's People. Credits there are really not expensive, but unless someone has some spare (mine have expired) it's something you'll have to do yourself!

looking at our pheobe gribble born abt 1890 I have found a marriage with another tree to a j mc clarren for her but we cannot get any further although other tree link has a josephine we think born to them but no details,,can anyone help us here please.regards sandra

I have found a link on another tree ,and have sent them a message as they had a george richmond married to a margaret kirkpatrick ,,hope we have a link here ,if not I will buy the marriage certificate,hoping it is the right one,or if I am just clutching at straws.regrds sandra

This is the marriage that you have found

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1937 (93%)
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Kirkpatrick Margaret Richmond Grimsby 7a 1747
RICHMOND George Kirkpatrick Grimsby 7a 1747


If you buy the marriage certificate it will give you her father's name and occupation then you will know if it is the correct Margaret!

I have found a marriage for margaret kirkpatrick in grimsby in 1937,I wonder if this could have been the missing link I have been looking for,as margaret was married to ebenezer kirkpatrick before this date in 1901 ,her last child to Ebenezer was in 1921 I lost track of them both and wonder if maybe she was widowed and remarried ,has anyone any idea where she could have been living in 1937, Hope i am on the right track,but at least it is a lead ,regards sandra

thanks viv,i will see what I can find ,regards sandra

It may still be on Scotlandspeople under Banns and Marriages.

You really need to have a look for it on there.

Same price if you find a likely one.

But free to search.

whoops marraige 1817 not 1877 regards sandra

The marriage certificate will have his parents names on and his wifes.
It should be on Scotlandspeople if it was 1877.
Which is pay per view only.
1 credit to get the record and 5 credits to view the certificate.
£6 for 30 credits

hi ,has anyone got the parents names of my ancestor thomas kirkpatricks ,thomas wa s born in 1788 and married to margaret shearer born around1798 they were married 08.02.1817,in scotland.I cannot seem to get back any further than Thomas,i think his fathers first name was william,but on another tree some one has got his father as andrew, regards sandra

ok thanks viv ,,my cousin is in grimsby,have to inform her,regards sandra

To get his exact dates of birth and death you will have to buy the certificates.
There is no other way.

My cousin has now found baby ebenezer kirkpatricks grave in grimsby,we would like to put a plaque there as he no markings ,we would like to put exact date of birth and exact date of death if possible \i was wondering if anyone can help us here please he was born june quarter 1908 and died march quarter 1909 regards sandra

re ebenezer kirkpatrick 1908-1909 ,Thank you so much for info on infant,we did not know there was a young sibling who had died so young, my cousin is in grimsby now and trying to find the grave we have the cemetary details etc now,it will be nice for us to get together up there and put some flowers on the grave,we have got so far now with our family considering we knew nothing about our grandparents and only 4 of their children when we started off doing the tree,we now have gone back to the 1700s so a big thank you to all of you who have helped us,regards sandra

There is one Kirkpatrick household in Grimsby in 1911 (I'll assume they're all in the same household):

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

KIRKPATRICK MARGARET 1879 32 Grimsby Lincolnshire
KIRKPATRICK JOHN WILLIAM 1905 6 Grimsby Lincolnshire
KIRKPATRICK THOMAS 1904 7 Grimsby Lincolnshire
KIRKPATRICK JESSIE B S 1902 9 Grimsby Lincolnshire
KIRKPATRICK ELLEN ANN 1910 11 MONTHS Grimsby Lincolnshire

At this point I don't know whether that helps.

There's no other Kirkpatrick death in Grimsby 1900-1920, so whether that Margaret was single, widowed, married -- you would have to pay to look at the transcript or image at the 1911 census site.


Oh, okay. How it helps is to show that in 1911, at least, there were no other Fitzpatricks in Grisby, increasingly the likelihood that this

Marriages Dec 1929
Kirkpatrick Jessie Toyne Grimsby 7a 1717
Toyne Arthur Kirkpatrick Grimsby 7a 1717

is your Jessie.

But really, the certificate is the only thing that will confirm that, and there's just nothing anybody else can suggest that will.

Sandra, just looking at PMs I've received from you --

for births marriages deaths before about 1930, don't use the search facility here. As you've noted (I don't know myself) it brings up too much extraneous stuff.

Use FreeBMD.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Ebenezer Kirkpatrick is a pretty unusual name.

FreeBMD shows a marriage 1846 in Wisbeach, a death (age 67) in King's Lynn 1881, a birth Jun quarter 1908 Grimsby and a death March quarter 1909 (age 0) in Grimsby.

Clearly, the birth and death in 1908 and 1909 are the same child.

And since there is no marriage for an Ebenezer Kirkpatrick, or birth of one of an age to be that EK's father, his father wasn't an Ebenezer Kirkpatrick. Unless he came from away already married.

Still don't know what you're looking for ...

Do you have the parents of the Ebenezer born in March 1909? If not, you have to get the birth certificate.

For a child that young, there will likely be a parent's name somewhere on the death certificate, either identifying him or as informant. So you need that certificate too.

If what you're trying to do is match up the Ebenezer birth and the Ebenezer death. They seem rather unlikely to be different people, I would think.

As we've suggested, can you clarify what it it is you are wanting help with?

The only help we can offer in some of these instances is to recommend that you buy the certificates.

hi ,shiela found a death for a ebenezer kirkpatrick died 11 months on 29th dec 1909 in grimsby, my cousin has gone to grimsby and found one for march the same year,but got no age can anyone find a link with the 2 please,regards sandra .

Sorry all,I thought I could check on marriage certificates with my credits to confirm if Ebenezer kirkpatrick or margaret kirkpatrick was named as parents of the marriage of jessie kirkpatrick who married arthur toyne in grimsby 1929,but I see now it only brings up the marriage not any details on her parents,I did not want to buy a certificate as I could be wrong ,it looks like i will have to buy one anyway,thanks for help anyway, regards sandra