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FChattaway in 1901

Name: Florrie Chataway
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Arthur
Mother's Name: Henrietta
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bradford

Arthur Chataway 29
Henrietta Chataway 26
Florrie Chataway 4
Lily Chataway 1


Just to try to get a handle on her.

Oh yeah -- whom did FABaker name as father on the marriage certificate to Mitchell?

And we'll be needing to know whom FChattaway named as father on the marriage certificate to Firth ...

Okay, let me catch up.

Where does this information that the Florence Amy Baker who married Mitchell was in fact Chattaway who had previously married Firth come from??

From the available information here, there's nothing to connect them.

I cant answer that one, I dont know what happened to the child or why she came to Sussex. possibly to work.
It would be interesting to get the marriage cert, which you will need to find her father and maybe her proper age. there are still lots of unanswered questions.but a hole in your brick wall so far.!

Arthur calls himself Stephen on the 1911 census so not much mystery there,

this is all very interesting! but i'm puzzled as to why on the marriage certificate 1918 it gives Florence Baker as spinster not widow? If she was a widow why use the name Baker and not Chatterway ?

So no bigamy ????

And this could be him
Name: Lewis Firth
Birth Place: Bradford
Residence: Bradford, Yorks
Death Date: 1 Jul 1916
Rank: Private
Regiment: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment)
Battalion: 18th Battalion.
Number: 18/1167
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theater of War: Aldershot
so child born after he died ??

that is olso news to me?

and a little Firth child

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Firth George Chattaway Bradford 9b 144

I guessed she was from the North of England as None showed up in sussex on the 1911

Florrie Chattaway 1914 Firth Bradford Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire

Lewis Firth 1914 Chattaway Bradford


Just another thing you didnt tell,!

Sorry Girls! This will not be an easy one to solve!
His fathers occupation on Arthur's marriage certificate was farm labourer and deceased. As for the bigamy it was on her part she was already married to Lewis Firth. She was Chatterway when she married Lewis Firth and Baker when marrying my grandfather. I have the marriage certificate for Mitchell/Baker in 1918 so it was never detected!
I told you it wouldn't be easy it's just as well you girls have obviously a sense of humour.
But a big box of chocs and bouquet to the one that cracks it.
Good luck!

Kind regards
Graham

Genealogy by psychic flash ... I swear that "bigamy" came to my mind as I looked into this one.

The problem with bigamous marriages is that you *cannot* get a marriage certificate, even if they show up in the GRO index. So if the marriage Lindsey found was bigamous, you can't get a certificate to see what anybody said on it.

Issuing a certificate would amount to giving you a piece of proof that something happened -- that's what the certificate is for -- when it didn't. There was no marriage, because one party was already married. It's called "void ab initio" -- it was void from the very outset.

What you might be able to do is look at the original entry that the GRO index was prepared from, in the registry district where the "marriage" was registered. I'm a dunce on those things. Maybe somebody else can explain it more. You may already know all this too.

... In fact, you seem to have info that would be on that certificate -- father's name etc. Do you have the original? Or was the bigamy simply never detected? I understand that if there is a bigamy conviction, it is reported to the GRO so a certificate can't be issued. Presumably there wasn't?

And yes, Graham. It makes absolutely no sense to put the smidgen of info you gave in your opening post and send people off on goose chases. You have all that other info, and we don't pay by the keystroke here! Oh, and Lindsey may have told you -- please answer in the thread!!! Click the purple Reply button at the top and a box will open.

I'll take a peek back later on ... have to get some work done ...

Was his father deceased on Arthur's (Stephen's) marriage certificate?

WEll Evie, that will teach me !! Tonights mail brings me this !!


sorry I have not explained myself properly, the scenario is I am trying to find my great grandfather and grandmother and any children to them,
my grandfather Arthur Stephen Mitchell married in 1918 to Florence Amy Baker bigamously, her real name was Florence Amy Chattaway, also he married under the name Stephen Mitchell and not using the name Arthur, he also put his fathers name down as Stephen Mitchell ? if he lied about his and his wifes name did he also lie about his age and his fathers name? he statted he was 21 when married in 1918, the thing is that when my father was born in 1921 my grandfather used his real name Arthur Stephen Mitchell. I know who my fathers brothers and sisters are, thay are the ones you found, and I have been told that my grandfather could have brothers Frederick and William and also sisters Alma, Beatrice, and Daisy but not to sure. I hope you like a challenge?

So Graham this you already know,you didnt tell us what his fathers occupation was, or who he was still married to and when ? Come on spill the beans !
Maybe the first marriage cert will be more truthful ?

Moi? an exhibitionist ? Never !!!

There are some chidren ? Does you relative appear here ?

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
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Mitchell Stephen Baker Lewes 2b 346

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Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
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Mitchell James Baker Lewes 2b 258

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Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
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Mitchell Harry Baker Lewes 2b 243

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Births Jun 1926 (>99%)
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Mitchell Violet Baker Lewes 2b 224

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Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
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Mitchell Molly Baker Lewes 2b 232

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Births Jun 1929 (>99%)
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Mitchell Joyce M Baker Lewes 2b 233

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Births Jun 1930 (>99%)
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Mitchell Ethel F Baker Lewes 2b 220

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Births Jun 1931 (84%)
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Mitchell William Baker Lewes 2b 244

Showoff Lindsey.

Ancestry with its fuzzy searches was my next stop ... already found that birth there. ;)

No luck finding a marriage at FreeBMD

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Was she Baker or Chattaway when she married? Do you know when? As Lindsay says, knowing when the first child was born would help pinpoint the marriage, if you don't.

Where do you have Arthur's birth info from? The only person with that exact name born around that time was 1902 in West Ham.

Married to Stephen Mitchell
Name: Florence A Baker
Year of Registration: 1918
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Surname: Mitchell
District: Lewes
County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 499 (click

You might need to find their marriage cert, what year was their first child born ?

I have come to a dead end with my tree, can anyone help? my grandfarther was Arthur Stephen Mitchell,1897 from the sussex area married Florence Amy Baker/ Chattaway wish to find his farther and mother and brothers and sisters.