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Lindsey, it was me threatening Graham with bodily harm. ;)

"Moody seems to have the right Chattaway Florrie, as for when she started using Baker I don't know? all I do know is that it appears on the marriage certificate with my grandfather Stephen Mitchell so between 1914 and 1918 she changed her name."

We still don't, though.

We know that
Florrie Chattaway married Lewis Firth
and
Florence Amy Baker married Stephen Mitchell.

We don't know that they were the same person.


The George Firth who is the father of your contact -- he's the son of Florrie Chattaway and Lewis Firth.

Was this George the one reared as part of the Baker-Mitchell household, if I'm following tihs at all? Who (or whose children) discovered late in life that he was really a Firth?

This one:

Births Dec 1917
Firth George Chattaway Bradford 9b 144

but I can't find where you said someone discovered late in life that he was a Firth. Was that him?

Here we are: "when other GR member gave me the info I contacted a cousin and I was told that she was told by her mother that one of the mitchells thought he was a mitchell but only found out he was a firth after his mother died? this is why the firth story stacks up!"


Regarding subsequent Florrie Firth marriage -- there were, remember, a danged lot of Florrie Firths in Yorkshire. A dozen in the 1901 census, and goodness knows how many more.

Oh dear this is a jigsaw puzzle with lots of missing bits !

Moody seems to have the right Chattaway Florrie, as for when she started using Baker I don't know? all I do know is that it appears on the marriage certificate with my grandfather Stephen Mitchell so between 1914 and 1918 she changed her name.
As for Lewis Firth's war records my relation has his service details but when he tried to search war records he could not see them he was told they could have been destroyed or misplaced.

You couldnt possibly upset me !
Could Lewis have remarried too.?
Moody has deffo got the right Chattaways.
How does your rellie know lewis details are right , has he seen his war records?

Theres a few questions !!

When did "FLORRIE" turn into "FLORENCE AMY " ?

Births Mar 1897
Chattaway FLORRIE Bradford, Y. 9b 137

Marriages Sep 1914
Chattaway FLORRIE Firth Bradford 9b 251

on 1911 also listed as "FLORRIE".

Brenda

does not know when or how lewis died?
sorry if I upset you,

So now we need to know when Lewis died and what brought her to the other end of the country to remarry ?

How about this one:

DEATH 2nd qtr1925
Firth Lewis age 29 Bradford 9b 185

Would be about or around the right birth age - 1896/97

Could this be Florrie's remarriage?
Marriages Sep 1931
Firth Florrie Drake N.Bierley 9b 137
Drake William W Firth N.Bierley 9b 137

NORTH BIERLEY REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Created : 1.1.1892 (out of Bradford district).

Brenda

This family in 1911:

CHATTAWAY, ARTHUR HEAD MARRIED M 39 CARTER BRADFORD YORKS
CHATTAWAY, HENRIETTA WIFE MARRIED 18 F 36 BRADFORD YORKS
CHATTAWAY, FLORRIE DAUGHTER F 14 WORSTED SPINNER BRADFORD YORKS
CHATTAWAY, ETHEL DAUGHTER F 9 BRADFORD YORKS
CHATTAWAY, JAMES SON M 8 BRADFORD YORKS
CHATTAWAY, ADA DAUGHTER F 5 BRADFORD YORKS
CHATTAWAY, CLARA DAUGHTER F 3 BRADFORD YORKS
CHATTAWAY, MAUD DAUGHTER F 1 BRADFORD YORKS
CHATTAWAY, HENRIETTA DAUGHTER F 1 BRADFORD YORKS
FOSTER, SARAH ELIZABETH BOARDER F 13 HIPPERHOLME YORKS


Address 28 HEAP ST BRADFORD County Yorkshire West Riding
District Bradford Subdistrict Bradford Central
Enumeration District 14 Parish Bradford


Other possible sibligs born after 1911 are:

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Chattaway Annie Howarth Bradford 9b 247


Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
Chattaway Emma Howarth Bradford 9b 166


Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Chattaway Richard Haworth Bradford 9b 235



Births Mar 1919 (>99%)
Chattaway Hilda S Howarth Bradford 9b 134


Their parents marriage:

Marriages Dec 1892
Chattaway Arthur Bradford, Y. 9b 50
HOWARTH Henrietta Bradford Y 9b 50

Brenda

So our Lewis was *not* the one who died in 1916 in WWI??

Does he know the date/circumstances of our Lewis' death?

Btw, I usually hit people who refer to me or women collectively as "girls" ...

I have managed to track down and speak to George Firth's son Arthur, who tells me that his grandfather Lewis Firth was in the second 25th Manchester regiment no: 42780. As far as he knows his grandmother Florence Amy Chatterway was still married when she married my grandfather Arthur Stephen Mitchell under the name of Baker. The marriage between Lewis Firth and Florrie Chattaway was the 23rd July 1914 and Lewis Firth's father's name was Benjamin. Also Florence Chatterway sister's were Lily,Ethel,Ada,Maud,Henrietta and Annie and a brother James. So the bigamy is still on! by the looks of it?

Graham

Its a long time since I was called a girl, hardened old cynic fits the bill !

Obviously your contact hasnt got the marriage cert for Florrie or there would be more info than she has.it might be worth geting it to sort this matter out. Did she run off with a soldier at 17 ?
Now I really want to know !

Must go ....fried brain!

Well that beats my bigamist!

You girls are doing fantastic, that last Stephen with sisters Daisy,Beatrice, Rachel ect sounds very promising and too much of a coincidence.

Well done!

Cos I've got a double murderer who died in Haywards heath Assylum, nah!

Desultorily is too big a word for this time of night, thankyou for your brainstrain.
L

I had to come up with *something*!

I've been too desultorily poking at this while trying to do work, and should leave it in the capable hands of those who have now sorted it a good way. ;)

What do you mean hopefully not related! why should I have a bigamist in the family and not you!

Would you look at them -- Daisy and Beatrice. Sisters of Stephen Jr., not daughters.

Drat Evie you're too good for me ! Yes I have a couple but hopefully not connected !!!

1901 England Census
about Stephen Mitchel
Name: Stephen Mitchel
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Horsham, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: West Firle
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lewes
Sub registration district: Lewes
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Mitchel 33
Ellen Mitchel 40
Margaret Mitchel 15
Lilian Mitchel 14
Daisy Mitchel 8
Beatrice Mitchel 3
Stephen Mitchel 2
Rachael Mitchel 1


Lets hope these are the right siblings Graham named ??

About the only thing I'm finding:

Marriages Jun 1873
? Carr Rachel Matilda Hemsworth 9c 171
Foster Eliza Hemsworth 9c 171
King John Hemsworth 9c 171
? Mitchell William James Hemsworth 9c 171

In Yorkshire ...