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thanks evie i will check all info.you have been buzy.
no, 1 the census , it may be barbensbin on ancestry but i have seen the original and can asure you it is Barbensbier,
all the children bar the 2 babies born fgn the babies born guernsey and named Le Barbenchon,Now auguste is the right age as on the census for 1841 they rounded up or down to the nearest 5 years so he would have been about 22 on 1841 census.The 1851 as auguste barassin he is 32,and married to desiree Agnes,
Now i have always believed he had a sister Marie,5 years younger she appears as his wife ,i think the 1871 census,
Now a Marie Roger is godparent to one of his children, Marie le barbenchon marries Jean Hypolite Roger cherbourg 1853 normally they would use their birth name but with this family,anything goes and they lived in Alderney for a while, their first child was born there,
another godparent Caroline ?? Charles Francois le barbenchon married Caroline le couvey, and his brother married an Emilie Caroline,Bonamy. another godparent alfred Joseph la Cour probably related to the mother Helen de la cour.

Now nobody can accuse me of waisting there time,i have been searching for Barassin for 8 years and i was looking backwards for him I wanted to find his marriage,I had no idea that he may have been born under a different name,There are plenty of Barassins around before the 1800s ,but not him,
Now ,going back to Le Barbanchon's I did say i had searched IGI ,, the three children that married were in Cherbourg and as far as i can tell the whole family returned to France after 1841,They are not in Guernsey in 1851. AUGUSTE is in alderney in 1851 with his wife,
There are Barbensons there also but not Barbenchons,the names do mean the same and there are variations ,The name derives from Belgium a village called Barbenchon,and they were of royal blood back in 1600's where 2 brothers were lords.

The family you found in 1841 is what i found in guernsey and checked it out as it was a weird name,and got excited at the thought it may be my Auguste because french sounding of Barassin is simular to Barbenchon, i know it looks different but does sound simular, and we all know about spelling way back then.

The map in france won't help much as you cannot get back to the earlier years and he was born c1819
I do know it is department Manche and going by the other children Cherbourg,
Desiree was not in Guernsey in 1841 i have found that she went back to France after the death of her father in 1832,Evidence that her mother returned to Guernsey from cherbourg in 1842 and deported back to cherbourg and again in 1845 returned to Guernsey and was found to be ill and put in hospital where she died in 1849,So i have found a few interesting facts which has led me down this path

And then google also found a page where it is mostly

LEBARBENCHON (all one word)

http://le.juezgenealogie.free.fr/Patronymes.htm

You might have a browse there (I didn't find anything, although there are names the same but not the same people) and google that spelling. It seems to be much more common today -- also Lebarbanchon.


This is a map of births 1891-1915 for surname Lebarbanchon in France:

http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/LEBARBANCHON

which probably gives you a decent idea of what area you're looking at.

You can click for other time periods:

1891-1915 : 17 births.
1916-1940 : 22 births
1941-1965 : 40 births
1966-1990 : 35 births

Also: http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/LEBARBENCHON
That spelling is about twice as common, and is also concentrated in the same area -- Manche département.

Also
http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/BARBENCHON
http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/BARBANCHON

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Aha. Is this one of your sources?

This would be Marie in the 1841, I think. It is a *submitted* record. Found by searching for

father JEAN BARBENCHON
mother HELENE
region Continental Europe
and nothing else specified


Marie Alexandrine Le Barbenchon
Birth: About 1823 Cherbourg, Manche, France
Death: 07 JAN 1907 Saint Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Father: Jean François Le Barbenchon
Mother: Hélène Victoire De la Cour


Also submitted record, searching IGI for Barbenchon -- same Marie:

Marie Le Barbenchon
Birth: 1823 France
Death: 07 JAN 1907
Spouse: Jean Hypolite Roger
Marriage: 11 JAN 1853 Cherbourg, Manche, France

Searching Ancestry for

BARBANC*

brought up the name

Barbançon (the ç is pronounced "s")

among the slave population of Mauritius.

There is an historian in New Caledonia (a French colony) named Louis-José Barbançon, descended from transported convicts, and specializing in deportations from France in the 1800s.

http://www.criminocorpus.cnrs.fr/article79.html

And there is a village that name -- Barbançon / Barbençon

http://www.pbase.com/antarius/barbanon

It seems to be in France but "spiritually" Belgian.


Anyhow, I'm thinking these names are all related.

I would try searching the IGI for all of them.

There's one Barbançon in England in 1504 and a dozen or so in France and Belgium, and a half-dozen Barbanchons and two Barbenchons in France (there are multiples of most entries).

Have you googled BARBENCHON?

An alternate spelling is BARBANCHON. (They're pronounced identically.)

Interestingly, in 1851:

(Not yours, I know; he was Barassin and with wife Désiré):

Name: Auguste Barbenson
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Where born: France
Civil Parish or Township: St Peter Port
Town: St Peter Port
County/Island: Guernsey

Your edited opener, here for ref:

I HAVE NOW FOUND EVIDENCE THAT HE CHANGED HIS NAME, FATHER MAYBE JEAN FRANCOIS LE -BARBENCHON
and Helen De La tour /cour from cherbourg France.
So now i am seeking Auguste theodore Le Barbenchon born c 1820,any help would be welcome Please, Igi has been searched,Thankyou
> on the 1841 census guernsey the name is BARBENSBIER


Well, you know you have to tell us what this evidence is you have found, that he changed his name. ;)

So ... all the Barassin searching for nowt ...


BARBENSBIER -- not at Ancestry it isn't.

Here we are. BARBENSBIN. Sort of like "bargain bin". ;)

John Barbensbin 50 - Labourer
Helen Barbensbin 35
Auguste Barbensbin 20 - Tinker?
Marie Barbensbin 15
Francis Barbensbin 15 - Boatm__
Pierre Barbensbin 10 - ditto
Eugene Barbensbin 10
Victorie Barbensbin 2 (looks more like Victoire)
Adelle Barbensbin 1
Michael Anne 10 - Boatm__

All born foreign parts but the two little ones.


I would read it as Barbensh__ maybe (les maudits anglais and their phonetic spelling).


There are BARBENSONs in Alderney and Jersey in 1841. I wonder whether they could be anglicized Barbenchons? The name is extremely rare outside the Channel Islands (e.g. about 2 dozen entries total at FreeBMD).

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thanks anne

sorry - not an Ettienne in sight!!!!

anne just a thought,could you see if there is an ettienne Barassin possible paris

thanks anne thats something to look into Phew

a few there that i havn't seen before thanks for that

Paris, France & Vicinity Marriages, 1710-1907 (in French)
Birth, Marriage & Death
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Name: Alexandre François Barassin
Spouse: Anne Marguerite Françoise Quénot
Father: Francois Barassin
Marriage: date
Residence: date


Paris, France & Vicinity Marriages, 1710-1907 (in French)
Birth, Marriage & Death
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Name: Jacques Alexandre Barassin
Spouse: Victoire Mondion
Father: Jacques Barassin
Marriage: date
Residence: date


Paris, France & Vicinity Marriages, 1710-1907 (in French)
Birth, Marriage & Death
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Name: Jeanne Adélaïde Barassin
Spouse: Auguste Prosper Audebert
Father: François Barassin
Marriage: date
Residence: date


Paris, France & Vicinity Marriages, 1710-1907 (in French)
Birth, Marriage & Death
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Name: Jeoire Michel Adolphe Barassin
Spouse: Marie Pauline Aubeau
Father: Alexandre François Barassin
Marriage: date

1891 Channel Islands Census
Census & Voter Lists
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Name: Auguste Barassin
Birth: abt 1880 - city, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Residence: 1891 - township, city, Guernsey, Channel Islands


1901 Channel Islands Census
Census & Voter Lists
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Name: Auguste Barassin
Birth: abt 1880 - city, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Residence: 1901 - city, Guernsey, Channel Islands

BARRASIN/Auguste/Alderney/1850-1880/ [email protected]

found this when I googled - looks interesting!!!

thanks ann
the one Jacques Barassin looks interesting as he died young
could explain why Auguste's children did not know his name

Husband
Bertrand NICOLE Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 16 JUL 1709 Saint Pierre La Vieille, , Calvados, France
Death:
Burial:





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Wife
Catherine BARASSIN Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 16 JUL 1709 Saint Pierre La Vieille, , Calvados, France
Death:
Burial:

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Husband
François Julien BARASSIN Pedigree


Birth: 04 DEC 1778 Saint Pierre La Vieille, , Calvados, France
Christening:
Marriage: 18 JUL 1803 Saint Vigor Des Mezerets, , Calvados, France
Death: Saint Vigor Des Mezerets, , Calvados, France
Burial:





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Wife
Marie Marguerite Françoise DUVAL Pedigree


Birth: 28 JAN 1781 Vassy, Calvados, France
Christening:
Marriage: 18 JUL 1803 Saint Vigor Des Mezerets, , Calvados, France
Death: 01 APR 1819 Saint Vigor Des Mezerets, , Calvados, France
Burial:





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Children

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1. Anne Julie BARASSIN Pedigree
Female

Birth: 19 OCT 1804 Saint Vigor Des Mezerets, , Calvados, France
Christening:
Death:
Burial:



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2. Jacques François BARASSIN Pedigree
Male

Birth: 29 DEC 1805 Saint Vigor Des Mezerets, , Calvados, France
Christening:
Death: 31 OCT 1807 Saint Vigor Des Mezerets, , Calvados, France
Burial:



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3. Anne Marie Charlotte BARASSIN Pedigree
Female

Birth: 26 JUL 1807 St Vigor Des Mezerets, , Calvados, France
Christening:
Death: 20 SEP 1842 Beuville, , Calvados, France
Burial:



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4. Jacques-François BARASSIN Pedigree
Male

Birth: 05 SEP 1811 Saint Vigor Des Mezerets, , Calvados, France
Christening:
Death: 03 FEB 1833 Misme, , , France
Burial: