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Does the birth cert have an actual address on it ,or just the village?

People did change jobs over time and going from Collier/miner to Quarryman would not be to hard to do,both involve mining of a sort,explosives,and pickaxes.

As long as you are telling the whole truth Madmeg and there are not red herring trails that others have gone down that have been discounted that we should know about before setting off ourselves!

This is the birth for which you have the certificate just for info

JOHN DAVIES
Birth: 08 DEC 1840
Christening: 27 DEC 1840 Cyssegr Congregational Or Independent, Mostyn, Flint, Wales
Father: PETER DAVIES
Mother: ANNE VAUGHAN
Source Information:
Batch No.: C098521

It is the only birth to those parents in that batch so what I was hoping to find, siblings who could be looked for in censuses, is not to be had :(

Im reading,pass the asprins please.....

I think what you were taught to say was "how are you today" I am still trying to read up on your problem.

Thread jack away Meg,I was bored anyway .

Not back to my grind until thursday so time to work on it aplenty.

But dont post on TTF again if we are working from here,I will amend the title to something suitable if you like?

Betws y coed =
Betooos Y coyd

PS Sorry to have hijacked Vivienne's thread. I one had a Welsh boyfriend, as a teenager, a long time ago, and he taught me to say something that sounded like "Shudaki Hethew" which I think meant "Have a good day"!

I do like to try, as Wales is only just down the road, but I believe the Welsh "th" is "dd", and there is probably no need for the "e", so the last word is perhaps Heddiw. Is that any good Vivienne? But I can't image what Shudaki is? Oh, just googled it, It also annoys me that people refer to Betsy co-ed when I think it should be pronounced Betus-y-coyd. And I cannot write Caernarfon with a "v". Am I doing okay?

Margaret

Hi Vivienne and Bruce,

I am breaking the rules, cos I have posted about John Davies before, but a while ago. So, here's the history that I have. It is complicated.

I must stress, if you don't mind, that this is the only direct branch of my family that I am still stuck on post-1837. I am going to break the rules again, and re-post it on Trying to Find. I will put up with the shouting, as I am so desperate to find him.

He first appears on a census for certain in 1881 in Glossop, Derbyshire, "married" to Margaret, with children Llewellyn 1876 (born Glossop) and Margaret 1878, plus five little Fishes, as Margaret was previously married to Richard Fish, who died in 1873 in Glossop. Margaret was formerly Margaret Duxbury, and both she and Richard were from Lancashire. I have everything about this couple from cradle to grave. Also the history of Richard Fish and Margaret Duxbury, with considerable help from other members of the Fish family across the world.

In fact he didn't marry Margaret until Dec Qtr 1890 in Stockport. I have the marriage cert. It states that both are widowed and his father is Peter, a Quarryman. I know it is the right marriage because it gives the correct father and occupation for Margaret (Alexander Duxbury, Calico Printer). I have found no previous marriage for John, and no death of a possible wife, presumably she didn't die until about 1890, which is why he couldn't marry Margaret. He appears again in 1891, in Glossop, with Margaret and another daughter Mary 1882 who is not mentioned again. His occupation on all records so far is Stone Mason.

I have a birth certificate of a John Davies born 1 December 1840 in Rhewl in the Parish of Whitford (which seems to cover the Llanasa area), father Peter, a miner, mother Anne nee Vaughan. Llanasa is a small area, and a family relative has been to Chester Records office and searched the parish records and found nothing different. I probably have a couple of other birth certificates of John Davies around the same time, too. None of which fit.

I can find no John with parents Peter and Ann on the censuses, other than in 1841 in Whitford, but John is aged 5, and Peter is a collier.

There is a Peter in 1851, a Mason, born Llanasa, but he has no son John, and he is married to Jane.

There is a Peter and Ann in Holywell in 1851, but Peter is an Ag Lab, and no son John.

There is a Peter, age 44 in 1851, in Mostyn, a widower, with a son John aged 10, but Peter is a coal miner.

People tell me that a Quarryman is a specific trade, and not the same as a miner, so I have no idea if I have the right birth certificate for John Davies, as his father is not a Quarryman.

John Davies dies in Glossop in February 1899. I have the cert and the burial plot.

In fact, I have everything possible about this family, except the history of John Davies prior to 1876 at the birth of the first child Llewellyn in 1876 with Margaret. I don't have that birth cert, but I do have that of Margaret Davies born 1878. She is my great grandmother. I can't see that getting the birth cert of Llewellyn would tell me anything - can you? If you think it will, I will get it.

This Llewellyn, born 1876 is in Bakewell, Derbyshire in 1891, as a stable boy. I cannot find out anything more about him, marriage, death or anything on any census. Not a major worry, but annoying.

The younger Llewellyn, born 1900 in Glossop was the son of Margaret Davies born 1878, who married William Platt. Their marriage was 25 June 1900. Oops, Llewellyn was born two months later! Shame and chagrin! He was my grandad, I loved him to bits, and his musical talent has filtered down through the generations to his great grandchildren.

I really do wish I could sort out John Davies, born 1840, Llanasa, he didn't make that up, did he?

Any help gratefully received.

Margaret

Oh dear, two John Davies to fit the specs in 1851

Name: John Davies
Birth: abt 1840 - Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales
Residence: 1851 - Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales
parents William and Anne

Name: John Davies
Birth: abt 1839 - Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales
Residence: 1851 - Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales
mother Margaret

but only the William and Anne one is in 1861 and 1871 (unmarried at 31 in 1871)

But the other one (1839) is in 1841 with parents John and Margaret in Llansa Flintshire. Ha so is the William and Anne one (1840) and so is a William and Ellizth one (1840). Surely that is not too many, lol.

More more tell us more. When and where were the Llewellyns born??

Hi all

Best wishes for the Festive Season and beyond .... from the 'Land Down Under'

What's this some have mentioned ..... ice, snow, cold, ....... Can I have some please

40 C in Perth today ...... so hot the ice cubes melted before they found the whisky, the prawns didn't need to go on the BBQ to be cooked .... and the thongs melted on the pavement. Oops .... the fire alarm has just gone off (true)

Best wishes to all

Find who Meg?
A Mr John Davies in Flintshire?

No probs,how many do you want?LOL

Blwddyn newydd dda i gyd yn Lerpwl.

My grandad was Llewellyn. When I asked my mother why he was called Llewellyn (as opposed to John, or George, or William), she reckoned her mother must have just liked the name. Hmm. Turns out his Uncle was Llewellyn too, and his grandfather one John Davies born 1841 Llanasa, Flintshire. If any of you Welsh people can find him, I will wish you Happy New Year in Derbyshire. Ow art, a-reet? comes to mind.

Love to all

Margaret

Blwyddyn Newydd Dda i'r pawb. O Lerpwl.

Dymuniadau gorau at y flwyddyn newydd. Gair bach i ddangos fod na amlyw Gymro ar hyd y wlad

Best Wishes for the coming year. Just a note to show that there are quite a few Taffs around

Hwyl, Eryl

And a happy New Year to everyone, from sunny Queensland, in Australia. Dont worry too much about the cold, here, it is HOT!
Dorothy

I hope everyone is more stuffed than the turkey,I certainly am.

Mince pie or susage roll anyone?

Baileys over ice?

Ice we have plenty of.

viv

even though my father was part Welsh I wish you all a 'reet gradely' time in Lancashire fashion.

Happy hunting for 2010

Get up everyone, Santa's been!

House buzzing already, tea, toast and fun for everyone.

Watch out for the Christmas tree, theyre very dangerous in the wrong hands according to BBC breakfast news this morning!!

Which brings to mind my uncle...one year he put real candles on the tree, everything went well until the tree caught light....numpty

Happy Christmas.......now wheres that champain

x

Ie,Viv ! Yn Lerpwl.

Gawd Margaret - I couldn't cope with that !!!

I have COPD and anything minus affects me very badly!!

Dea x

-5? That's balmy. We don't start complaining till it gets to -35.
Margaret in Canada.
Merry Christmas all!

Our yard is a sheet of ice and so is half the communal drive to the 5 of us that live in our semi circle.
The postie crashed his van into a fence halfway up the drive (a short one ) got turned round and went!didnt leave our post the rotter,and he was unharmed so he could have!

But thats one less bill or christmas card arriving that I wasnt expecting.

Yule tide greetings to all....

It has been -5 in the Midlands for days !!!!!! Brrrrrr!!!!!!!!!

God help the people in Scotland !!

Dea Xxx