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Hi Dea,

Here we go again - Have received the marriage cert of Margaret McGlen's parents!!!

I have spent some time looking at the census etc going between the grandfather James Durkin, and now Margaret's "Durkins" but have ended up more than very confused totally "addled", as I've been having a job finding an Annie Durkin on the censuses, and in fact I can't even find my grandfather James Durkin now for either 1891 (73 Chassum Street - on birth cert.), but he's not mentioned also nothing for 1901 as a 13 year old.

Anyway back to grandmother's side - this is the info on cert:-

Marriage Date - 21/5/1881
John Mclen & Annie Durkin (Margaret's parents)
Both 20 years of age

John = Labourer living at 40 Greenaire Place Bradford.
His Father - Michael McGlen who was also down as a Labourer

Annie = Twisted Weaver living at 56 Duncan Street, Horton, Bradford.
Her Father - John Durkin who was a Tailor or could be Jailor or I suppose even Sailor - very faint photocopy.


Witnesses: John May & X for Mary Guilfoyle
Annie Also signed with a X
Church - St. Josephs RC Grafton Street, Horton

Hope this makes sense. Any info pointing me in the right direction would be So Sooooooooo! gratefully received.

I suppose I should be grateful her father isn't called "James".

Pat

You must think that some of mine belong to you the amount of work you've looked up for me!!!!!

Pat

Wow! - you are SO lucky!! - I think I need to find some relatives in Bradford!!

Dea x

I just phone up Bradford and give them the info, if i phone reasonably early in the morning they usually send them the same day. The longest I've ever waited was three days. The one I asked for today (about 1.50pm) resulted in them phoning me about a query and they said if they could get it in the post by 3.30 I'd get it tomorrow. Perhaps they're not that busy there!

Pat

Well,at least you seem to be able to get your certs VERY quickly (I don't know how you do it) - SO, we shouldn't have long to wait until we can look further!!

Dea x

Hi Dea,

Thanks for replying. No specific reason at present, it was because Richard sais that he'd checked the address shown on my grandmothers birth certif. "20 Bower Str" in 1891 and said another family lived there. (See earlier thread), I wondered how he found that out, as he obviously wouldn't have know the name of the occupiers to trace it through the census.

Pat

ps Thanks Heather for your input.

pps Very many thanks for everyone's help - would like to say you won't hear from me again - but I know I'd be telling fibs!! Unfortuntely god didn't pass on a great deal of patience to me so that doesn't help, especially even after taking a break from searching, i still end up not seeing the "wood for the trees"

Hi Pat,

Heather has given you info about 'nudging' above.

With regard to searching by address - some sites allow you to do this - I think 'findmypast' allows you to do it on several census, - Ancestry and family search have the facility only on 1881.

Was there somewhere specific you were looking for?

Dea x

Hi Pat, nudging just means adding something to the thread (like this little message) which nudges it up to the top of the page.

A full stop in the reply box would do the same job, but most people type something like nudge or bump. Its just a way of keeping the thread near the top rather than it going a few pages down the line as newer threads come along.

Hi Dea,

Reference Margaret McGlenn/n I spoke with Bradford Records again late this morning and the lady there confirmed that she had looked under qtr 4 1893 & qtr 1 1894 and could find nothing whatsoever. You were obviously right and I thank you for that. Makes you realise that loads of little fibs were told by many over the years eh! all these years we thought she was a Xmas day baby!

Also, I have now asked them for the marriage certificate of her parents John McGlen and Annie Durkin, which I hope will give me some idea how closely they were all related.

I hope that I find it easier to find out siblings of James Durkin's (Grandfather).

Just a couple of small questions:- after reading a few threads, people are talking about "nudging" what does that mean? Is there anyway I can find out who lives at a specific address, without having a surname to use?

Pat

Hi Dea,

Reference Margaret McGlenn/n I spoke with Bradford Records again late this morning and the lady there confirmed that she had looked under qtr 4 1893 & qtr 1 1894 and could find nothing whatsoever. You were obviously right and I thank you for that. Makes you realise that loads of little fibs were told by many over the years eh! all these years we thought she was a Xmas day baby!

Also, I have now asked them for the marriage certificate of her parents John McGlen and Annie Durkin, which I hope will give me some idea how closely they were all related.

I hope that I find it easier to find out siblings of James Durkin's (Grandfather).

Just a couple of small questions:- after reading a few threads, people are talking about "nudging" what does that mean? Is there anyway I can find out who lives at a specific address, without having a surname to use?

Pat

Richard,

According to Birth Cert. I have James D was born October 1888 - 73 Chassum St, Manningham, Bradford, His father, also James was a Mason's Labourer. Mother called Mary Durkin Nee Mullarkey.

In 1891 Census there is an entry for a James Durkin at 73 Chassereau St, Manningham - I thought this was more than likely the same one because of the condition of the transcription, no mention of my grandfather being there tho'.

Do you think I have the wrong James Durkin to start with?? - Oh my dear! i.e wrong flippin b.cert.?

I was told by my brother that he thought the grandfather's birthday was 21/12 (which is same date as his son).

Pat

ps hope I'm not confusing you too much with this? Me - confusion my middle name!!

Sorry forgot to add the reason i post margarets possible siblings marriages was to use as a cross reference.
It maybe worth getting winifreds marriage certificate.

richard.

Hi pat that was a quick cert return.
I checked the address in 1891 to see whether the family had been mistranscribed, but they were not living 20 bower street. A family called brayshaw were living there.

I have to agree with dea, my only concern is that john in 1891 is a shipyard labourer.

Where & when was james D born.

richard.

Hi,

For what it is worth I DO think this is the correct one!

I will need to look through my notes again and recheck the images.

That is the cert for the birth ref. I originally put up - she has the correct parents and he IS a stone mason.

I will dig out my notes and come back to you.

Dea x

Hi Dea,

Have received copy of birth cert. - Not what I was expecting - different birthdate.

I telephoned Bradford records and they confirmed that they had only looked for 1888/1889, and that they will only look between 5 years - not the 6 that I asked for, even tho' I was told they would. Because I told them that all living members of family will confirm that her birthday was always know as being on Xmas Day they said they will have another look. I have to phone back on Monday and the lady there will have another look for Qtr 4 1893 & Qtr 1 1894 on my behalf. If not there she seems to think it must be this one and death cert dates could be wrong.

Here's the info:-

9/4/1888
Margaret Ann
Father: John McGlen (note only one "n")
Mother: Annie McGlen formely DURKIN
Father Occup: Stone Mason
Address: 20 Bower Street, Horton
Reg Distr: Bradford
Sub-Distr: Horton

Certainly inter-marriage within the family, I suppose until I find grandfathers' ('James D) siblings I shan't know exactly how close, will I?

What do you think?

Pat

Thanks Dea, will do that - I have myself, tonight spent some time looking at the Durkins, mainly just to have a break from the "others", at the minute looks promising!!!!

Speak again soon

Pat

Yes,

It is really confusing, especially when you first start out and 'this family' you have started with is particularly complicated.

I will keep all the notes I have made to one side for now as any more postings will only confuse further.

As you have said - we need to have the birth cert of your grandmother. - Once we have proved that to be the correct one we can then start to piece things together.

Post on this thread when you get the cert and send me a pm in case I don't notice it - we can then get 'back on the case'

Dea x

P.S. - If it helps - I have already looked at the Durkins for you and from all the info I have now on the Mc Glen's, I think this is your biggest 'hurdle' - once we connect her to the correct line, I think things will be a lot easier for you BUT we have to make sure that first link is correct or your tree will never work.

Dea x

Hi Dea,

First thing this morning I spoke with Bradford Records and have asked them for Grandmother's Birth Certificate, either 1893 or 1888/89 25/12 as after last nights info I was getting confused. So hopefully that will arrive by Saturday, and will at least confirm her mother's name which should help trace the correct John. Even tho' I was unable to find her entry anywhere I just thought "what the hell" I need to try and make sure I'm going to go down the right road at the earliest chance.

After what you posted today I'm glad I did as I'm well and truly confused, would never have thought that someone from the McGlenn's would have married a Durkin earlier on!!

The certificates that I have at present are Birth, Death & Marriage for Grandfather James Durkin and Death & obviously marriage for Grandmother.

The mind boggles, as I haven't even really started on the grandfather and census for finding his siblings etc. But I'm sure that they'll be hundred of James Durkins.

No doubt I wouldn't be the first to mention this but how I wish I had asked questions before they had all gone!!

Anyway another thanks for all yours & Richards help I do appreciate it, I'm sure some people give up early on because of the hurdles they come up against,especially if they're new to this "hobby"

Pat.

pos marriages for margarets siblings.

Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
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Carr James Thomas Bradford, Y. 9b 345
McGlenn Mary Ellen Bradford, Y. 9b 345
Myers Rachel Bradford, Y. 9b 345
Summerscales William Bradford, Y. 9b 345


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Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
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Binns Arthur Charles Bradford 9b 267
Caton Herbert Bradford 9b 267
McGlen Bridget Bradford 9b 267
Willis Clara Alice Bradford 9b 267


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Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
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FOSTER Hilda Bradford 9b 45
HODGSON Albert Bradford 9b 45
HOLMES John Bradford 9b 45
McGlen Winifred Bradford 9b 45

Hi Pat,

Yes, this family is very intermingled - they are all probably cousins etc but definitely connected - It will take some soring but we will get there!

Have to cook Dinner but will take a look later.

Do you have any other certs etc?

Be back soon,

Dea x