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Kirsty, Just looking at my granparents Marriage cert JOHN HARRY EARL / ALICE REBECCA CLARKE 1914. And the witnesses were BERTRAM ARTHUR HIND & CLARA HIND

Hi Kirsty

Yes, that Charlotte M Jarrett is my gran's younger sister. By the 1911 census Charlotte already had one child die young or at birth (7 born, 6 still alive in 1911) and then the last two - Charlotte Maria and Jane Joanne both died very shortly after birth.

I can only think Charlotte and Walter were in disgrace over the pregnancy in 1901 and may not actually appear on it at all!!

Thank you so much for trying for me. I really do appreciate it, especially while half term is on. I'm also a Mad Mum of 4 (boys) although the older ones have left home and are working now just leaving me at home with the 15 year old, who is pretty self sufficient. I remember the arguments well though and the feeling of wanting to lock myself away with a stiff drink - and that was only lunchtime!!!

Thanks again Kirsty. One of Charlotte's daughters in law is still alive (just!) so I'll see if she can remember any more than she has already passed on and have another go at tracing her later.

Dee

Kirsty,
I will and thank you again.

Been trying to get further back but can't see anything for 100%

Please get some certs to proove it though

Kirsty

Kirsty. I dont know what to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John

1881
Name: Charles Bradshaw
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester St Margaret
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: 32 Willow Bridge St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Grocer & Provisions

Registration district: Leicester
Sub registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 74
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Bradshaw 43
Maria Bradshaw 53
Sarah Jane Bradshaw 15
Annie Maria Bradshaw 14

1891

Name: Charles Bradshaw
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Leicester
Sub registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 54
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Bradshaw 53
Maria Bradshaw 62
William C Hinds 6 Grandson

1901

Name: Maria Bradshaw
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Mother-in-law
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Syston, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester Formerly St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Household Members: Name Age
William H Hind 36
Sarah J Hind 35
William C Hind 16
Bertram A Hind 14
Lillian H M Hind 10
Ernest H Hind 8
Charles Bradshaw 62
Maria Bradshaw 72
William T Storer 20 Boarder

1871


Name: Sarah J Bradshaw
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Cousin
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Freaks Ground
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Household Members: Name Age
Hannah M Boran 18
Ann Boran 16
Harriet Boran 12
William Boran 9
Sarah Boran 7
Sarah J Bradshaw 5


Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
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Bradshaw Charles Leicester 7a 565
Clarke Maria Leicester 7a 565
Cockayne Mary Ann Leicester 7a 565
Robinson John Leicester 7a 565


1871
Name: Maria Clarke
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Syston, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Evington
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough
Town: Evington
County/Island: Leicestershire

Household Members: Name Age
Robert Clarke 78
Sarah Clarke 72
Maria Clarke 42
Harriett Bradshaw 32 ~ Maria's sister!!
Smith Middleton 19


Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%)
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Bradshaw Charles Leicester 7a 235
Brookin Edward Leicester 7a 235
Clarke Harriet Leicester 7a 235
Freeman Mary Leicester 7a 235
Hunt Margaret Gainsbro 7a 235




Well talk about keep it in the family!!!

Kirsty

Kirsty.

Naseby is in Leicestershire

Kirsty, All I have is 1881 census Charles Bradshaw c1838 Maria Bradshaw c1828. Had 2 children on 1881 census Sarah A. c1865 & Annie M. c1866. Living in Leicester. Thats all I have!!!

Keep me posted Sue


Dee,

it is strange that we can't find Walter or Charlotte....


I take it you have this

Name: Charlotte M Jarrett
Mother's Maiden Surname: Doncaster
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1923
Registration district: Marylebone
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 863


Name: Charlotte M Jarrett
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1923
Year of Registration: 1923
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 0
District: St Marylebone (1902-1977)
County: Greater London, London
Volume: 1a
Page: 656

Kirsty

John,

I can't find a marriage for Maria Hind and Charles Bradshaw

Where is Naseby?

Can you give me any information you have about either of them and i will try and trace them back through the cencus

Kirsty

Kirsty

It's a possibility. I know she was supposedly a game old bird and a bit of a boozer in her later years but no-one has even whispered about being born out of wedlock - that's assuming she even knew though.

Please don't put yourself to too much trouble over her - I may just have to accept that I'll never get to the bottom of her parents!!!

I'll keep trawling through the Marylebone enumeration districts one by one to see if I can find her. Frances Rose, her firstborn was registered in Marylebone in the September quarter of 1901 so she's got to be there somewhere. Unless she lied again - had the baby elsewhere and didn't register her in the district in which she was born.

Thanks a million for trying.
Dee

kirsty
ihave that record & guess wot!!
i think i went wrong!!
in the beginning i put these on tree but due too
my dads bad memory ive made an easy mistake!!
will start again later today.
thanks
i,ll let ya know..lol
sue

Dee,

I am still looking!

I am having another train of thought

Charlotte was born out of wedlock??? mother went on to marry William/Henry Doncaster??

I have been trying to cross check births with marriages!!

Sue,

try this link

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/results4.aspx?x=1863778831


Kirsty

hi
i couldnt find them on 1911!!!
william was baker/journeyman
father james horsedealer
william wife was edith may
& ivy irene is the right one
sue

Hi Kirsty, Thank you for kind offer of look up. I'm looking for parents and siblings of MARIA HIND c1828 from Naseby. Mary married Charles Bradshaw c1838 if thats any help. Any infomation I would be very grateful

Sue,
have you looked on the 1911 cencus?

I have found an Ivy Irene Harris with a father William livinh in South Stoneham Hampshire.

Could this be them it may pay for you to have a look at the cencus and get a bit more info

Kirsty

Sue,

what were William's & James's occupations?

what was William's wife called?

Kirsty

Hi kirsty
heres one for you!!!!!!!!!!
my nan ivy harris 1903,cert says her father william harris....
his marriage cert says william harris 29-12-1901,father james......
but on ivys marriage cert of 1923 his name is george william harris....
& guess what!! i cant find his birth!!
looks like they moved around as ivy born in epsom
she married in wealdstone harrow
& he married in putney.
ive got a bit more info if needed!
be gratefull with some help on this one!
thanks sue

Dave,

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
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LEEDS Matilda M Rogers Paddington 1a 226
ROGERS Frederick Leeds Paddington 1a 226

Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Leeds Matilda May Faversham 2a 892


1901

Name: Matilda M Leeds
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: Herbert J
Gender: Female
Where born: Teynham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Teynham
Ecclesiastical parish: Teynham St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Faversham
Sub registration district: Teynham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Leeds 70 Brandeston, Suffolk, England
Sarah Leeds 68 Chelmsford, Essex, England
Herbert J Leeds 24 Norton, Kent, England ~~Baker ~widower
Matilda M Leeds 4



Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Cruickshanks George Faversham 2a 1032
Hales Ellen Faversham 2a 1032
Leeds Herbert James Faversham 2a 1032
Neaves Matilda Sophia Faversham 2a 1032

Wife's death

Deaths Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Leeds Matilda Sophia 19 Faversham 2a 469

Looks like she died in child birth ~ poor love


His second marriage

Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
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Leeds Herbert James Faversham 2a 1679
Lurcock Fanny Louisa Faversham 2a 1679
Packman George Edward Faversham 2a 1679
Streatfield Frances Emma G Faversham 2a 1679

1891

Name: Hubert J Leeds
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Teynham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Teynham
Ecclesiastical parish: Teynham
Town: Village Green St
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Faversham
Sub registration district: Teynham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Leeds 60
Sarah Leeds 58
Hubert J Leeds 14
Alfred F Godfrey 20

1881

Name: Herbert J. Leeds
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Norton
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address: Lodge House
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Leeds 50
Sarah Leeds 48
Albert Leeds 17
Alice Kate Leeds 13
Bertha E. Leeds 10
Samuel W. Leeds 7
Herbert J. Leeds 4