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Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%)
AMES Emma Burton 6b 436
>>> Fletcher Thomas Burton 6b 436
King William Burton 6b 436
>>> Swift Elizabeth Hackett Burton On Trent 6b 436

Spouses must be mistranscribed

Marriages Jun 1887 (47%)
SWIFT Rosetta Hull 9d 358
Verrity Elizabeth Hull 9d 358


Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SWIFT Rosetta ELDER Peter St James (Hull) Hull SJH/7/218

Hi

It's certainly worth looking into. I'm finding this so frustrating as I would love to be able to tell my gran who her paternal grandparents were. She's 98 and whenever I visit her she asks if I've found anything out. I will update this thread with a result when I can. Thanks again for looking.

Chris

1881 census transcription details for: Lodge, Swadlincote (Derby)
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 2758 Folio: 8 Page: 9

Reg. District: Burton Upon Trent Sub District: Gresley
Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Swadlincote (Derby) City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Lodge, Swadlincote (Derby)
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
FLETCHER, Thomas Head Married M 55 1826 Gen Labourer
Breedon, Leicestershire
FLETCHER, Elizabeth H Wife Married F 50 1831
Breedon, Leicestershire
SHARP, Sarah A Stepdaughter Married F 21 1860
Breedon, Leicestershire
SWIFT, Rosetta Stepdaughter Single F 19 1862 General Serv (Dom)
Breedon, Leicestershire

Their is this couple (bear in mind geography isn't my strong point :-)) I can't find a marriage for them

1891 census transcription details for: Common Side, Church Gresley
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2198 Folio: 56 Page: 4

Reg. District: Burton Upon Trent Sub District: Gresley
Enum. District: 3 Ecclesiastical District: St George & St Mary Church Gresley
Parish: Church Gresley City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Common Side, Church Gresley
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
ELDER, Peter Head Married M 42 1849 Fish Dealer
Hull, Yorkshire
ELDER, Rosetta Wife Married F 28 1863
Breedon, Leicestershire

Could Rosetta be the connection!?!

Hi Lost for Words and Tracey. Yeah back to the drawing board. I think I will have to try and exhaust the Jacques side. Because I have been told that Martha was his aunt and the fact her sister Mary lived in Coleshill where George is supposed to have been born I felt sure she must have been his mother. This brick wall has left my head spinning.The only other thing I know is that his mother died on ward 9 at the Derbyshire Royal Infirmary before December 1936 not much of a help really though.

Thanks again

Chris

awww sorry to hear that Chris, it's back to the drawing board then?

Tracey x

Just trying to build a picture :-)

Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%)
BAILEY Joseph Hinckley 7a 89
Dabbs Henry Hinckley 7a 89
Jacques Martha Ann Hinckley 7a 89
Jacques Mary Hinckley 7a 89

1881 census transcription details for: The Common, Mickleover (Derby)
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 2755 Folio: 61 Page: 28

Reg. District: Burton Upon Trent Sub District: Repton
Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Mickleover (Derby) City/Municipal Borough:
Address: The Common, Mickleover (Derby)
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
BAILEY, Joseph Head Married M 31 1850 Water Man Gas Company
Mickleover, Derbyshire
BAILEY, Martha Ann Wife Married F 33 1848
Higham On The Hill, Leicestershire
BAILEY, Charles James Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Mickleover, Derbyshire
BAILEY, Elizth Agnes Daughter Single F 2 1879
Littleover, Derbyshire

Just for ref/info

1891 census transcription details for: Mickleover Common, Mickleover
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2197 Folio: 47 Page: 6

Reg. District: Burton Upon Trent Sub District: Repton
Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District: All Saints Mickleover
Parish: Mickleover City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Mickleover Common, Mickleover
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
BAILEY, Joseph Head Married M 41 1850 Water Man Of Gas Meters
Mickleover, Derbyshire
BAILEY, Martha A Wife Married F 43 1848
Higham On The Hill, Leicestershire
BAILEY, Elizabeth A Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Littleover, Derbyshire
ELDER, George Alfred Boarder M 6 1885 Scholar
Coleshill, Warwickshire

Hi Chris

Sorry to hear it was the wrong cert :-(

You could post the details on bmdshare.com if you wanted to pass it on.

Regards
LfW

Updated
Just spotted you already know of bmdshare :-)

Hi to those who have tried to help,

I now have George Alfred Baileys birth certificate and it does not relate to my gt grandfather. Whilst waiting for the certificate I found George Bailey on 1891 census living with both parents and siblings. So it's thinking cap back on again. Once again thanks for help so far.

Chris

Hi Tracey,

Just to let you know I have taken your advice and ordered the birth certificate for George Bailey. I twill be a fantastic result if it is the right one. If its not I can always put the details on bmdshare.com. I've been researching Joseph Bailey and my head is spinning, I never thought it would be this confusing and frustrating. Naive or what.

Chris

Hi,

Thanks for all the in put so far.

So I take it that George could have been named Bailey at birth but was later called Elder for whatever reason. I have to admit I wasn't fully convinced that his father was named Samuel Elder having read other threads on here where I've learnt that on marriage certificates a fathers name may have been made up and the word deceased included.Going by the 1891 census he was Elder. I am going to research Joseph Bailey later today and see what I can come up with.

Chris

My great grandfather's surname was Cartwright when in fact his birth certificate says Woodhead-his parents weren't married. Alway's keep an open mind.

There is no name change?

He was Illegitimate and his mother was a Bailey.....!!!

He may have been 'given' the name Elder to prevent people around knowing he was illegitimate! Happened ALOT !!!

You'll be surprised how many people on here suddenly discover their Great Grandparents were not married when they had Granny or the name Granny grew up with was not the name she was born under!!

Thats the joy of all this the suprises!!!Not everything is as it appears to be..



Tracey

Long shot :-)

Births Mar 1884 (>99%)
Alder Alfred George Banbury 3a 868

Before logging off I wanted to say thanks for the help given so far it really is appreciated.

Chris

Tracey you've certainly got me thinking. If this is his birth I wonder why the name change.

The only problem with data from elderly relatives is it can get confused over the years.... or indeed the gentleman himself may not have known when his actual birthday was!!!!

Lots of people have been biten by this tack. You need to explore all avenues and not discount anything put forwards.

I would certainly think about ordering the Bailey cert and see what happens.



Tracey