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Just whats on 1861 Scottish census

Name: Euphemie S Murray
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: New York Bs, America
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 108 Lauriston Place
Occupation: Scholar (privately At Home)

Name: Mary C Murray
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: New York Bs, America
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 108 Lauriston Place
Occupation: Scholar (privately At Home)

Name: William Murray
Spouse Name: Euphemia Gibb
Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1853
Marriage Place: New York City, New York, New York

Marriage ID: 2220315680
Other Comments: On microfilm at Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah.

Source: The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record (quarterly), 1932, selected extracts
Publisher: New York Genealogical and Biographical Society
Publication Place: New York, NY

Do you have any proof they were born in America?

I cannot find the children on any outbound record...yet.

Nor can i find them returning to America.


Tracey

I have 1861 census for scotland with the kids staying with Aunty Mary Colvin Gibb but no adult parents with them. As I said it was a wealthy family & both children were students at home. I can't find Euphemia after her wedding which was in a Liverpool newspaper I searched using

http://access.gale.com/newstrial/

Emma, gonna see if a friend will get me SP cert of Thomas Gibbs death

Emma

I can't see the kids travelling to Britain only to be shipped back, that would have been a very expensive and timely excercise?

Are you certain the parents didn't follow as well?

I have american census's let me look for her in 1871....

Tracey

ok Euphemia Gibb who married in New Yorks america' daughters Euphemia Murray & Mary C Murray were living with Grandma Mary Colvin Gibb in the 1861 Census..... Maybe she took the kids back to America to be with thier parents?


Emma

Sorry my internet dropped out.... Just got it back up.

Give me about 30 mins and i'll carry on where i left off.

Well proving it we would need a death cert, and i think i found one when my net cr*pped out.... the age is slightly off i remember, but then thats going to happen if she died down there and they didn't truely know her age.

The house she is living in has upwards of 8 people living there, a whole family and then about 4 or 5 lodgers, so a BIG house... and wrongly transcribed to, the household goes over 2 pages but for some reason the transcriber has split it in 2?

There maybe a chance it is a relation.... maybe a sister of hers or a friend of a friend... again not looked into it too much when i got booted.

So give me a short while and like i say i'll dig a bit more for you.


Tracey x

Totally get your reasoning but can we prove it??

YEEHAA!! Just Found Euphemia Gibbs wedding!!!!! Married a William Murray in New York!! lol now that explains why I have 2 murray children born New york on a census with Mary Gibb!

Well now i think that is her..... and i'll tell you why...

She wouldn't have been the one to fill the form in, the head of house would have been....

...she's there for a reason, however she'll have a Scottish accent... and it's logical to assume she would be born there???

The family she's with doesn't have to be relevant, she's had some money and living by her own means and listed as being no occupation.

Maybe she used his money to get away from the poverty that would have been all around back then in Edinburgh?

The head of house isn't going to know she was born in Calcutta.... unless he asked, but he probably thinks he knows for sure where she was born because of her accent !!!

Gotta love ignorance lol

Tracey

Hmmmm doubt it, she was born in Calcutta and none of the names match my tree. If she was going to stay with anyone I would guess it would be with 1 of her kids?

Have listed names and marriages that I know of

Eliza + Charles Martin

This is the most probable as Thomas Gibb left all his money to his wife Mary/Maria and if she was dead it was all to go to his son Andrew and Charles Martin son in law?!

Christina + James Wilson
Euphemia
Margaret
Andrew + Jessie Murray
Thomas
Mary + James Brown
Catherine

All Gibbs born Edinburgh

cheers for trying, I'm NOT going to give up on this one NEVER!!!

Could this be your Mary??

1871 England Census
about Mary Gibb
Name: Mary Gibb
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Holborn

Mary Gibb 75
Richard C Johnson 23
Stephen Marden 46
Mary Ann Sugg 45

Thanks Tracey!

My hubby has forbidden me from spending anymore money on this one! At least untill Nov! We live in Spain & I have been draining our Scottish bank account between SP & ancestry! Poor hubby saw bank statement and thought somebody in Dundee had got our card details oops! lol

Emma

If you goto www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk you can download the cert yourself, i've just looked and her name is listed as MARIA Colvin....

Maybe she died as a Maria too?

I'll take a look now.


Tracey x

Yeah Mary Colvin Gibb. Some of her children are Colvin/Gibbs as well and depending which census you look at she is down as Mary or Maria!


Grrrr lol

All the info I have is...

Thomas died of Asthma over a long period & Polmonary congestion. 06/07/1862. 3 Meadow Place, Edinburgh. Born Dunbar, Haddingtonshire, Scotland. I don't have the cert it was found through the Edinburgh library but the gentleman who looked it up didn't get me a copy.


Emma

what does the 'c' stands for in her name?

has she renamed herself Mary Colvin Gibb??


Tracey

Emma

Does his death cert mention her?


Tracey x

YUP W/T thats her! Got loads of info from marriage down including 1818 OPR of wedding and husbands 1861 will but.......The death cert elludes me!

Even had a nice person go look in the Glasgow library which has a direct link to the Edinburgh library! They found Thomases death cert but not Mary/Maria's or her father James Colvins!

They were a wealthy family so it seems strange it is so hard to find the certs!!

Thanks for trying

Emma in Spain

ahhhh.... got her..

This is her marriage?

23/10/1818 COLVIN MARY THOMAS GIBB/FR2582 F Falkirk /STIRLING 479/ 0090 0237


Tracey