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Are you able to copy and past the 1891 and 1901 - I don't have ancestry

I have been looking at the census's again and if the Ellen Younger in the 1891 census and the Ellen in the 1901 census are the same person, then the ages are out. In 1891 Ellen was 29, and ten years later she was 45. that is somewhat strange, a difference of six years. what do you think?

This is the information I have from the 1901 census.

Frederick Chapman (My Great Grandfather) Married, 42, mason's labourer, born London kentish town.

Ellen Chapman ( Great Grandmother) Wife, 45, born London, Peckham.

Henry Younger, stepson, 15, Vanguard railway worker, London, Peckham
Ellen Younger, stepdau, 11, London, Peckham

Elizabeth Chapman, dau, 9, London, Peckham
George Chapman, son, 5, London, Peckham
James Chapman, son, 4, London, peckham (my grandfather)
Dan Chapman, son 3, London, Peckham,
May, dau, 10 months, London, Peckham

61 Scylla Road, Camberwell, Peckham.

I realise earlier I said Ellen's children were 15 and 14. In fact they are 15, and 11.

I'm sorry

on the 1891 census it says, I think that Ellen was a wash woman. And on the 1901 census Ellen (ellen and Mr younger's daughter) had fits from birth

There is a groom missing from this page, can anyone find him just in case its Mr Younger

Marriages Dec 1886
Edmonds Ellen Hackney 1b 672
HAWES Georgiana Hackney 1b 672
Martin William Arthur Hackney 1b

Possibles?

Births Mar 1857
Edmonds Eleanor Wandsworth 1d 418

Births Sep 1853
Edmonds Eleanor Mary Ann Hackney 1b 274

Can't even find a birth for Ellen! Wonder if she had a different first name, say Elizabeth Ellen and used her middle name.

This is the nearest I can find on the 1881. Peckham is now in the borough of Southwark (now London)


Ellen EDMONDS
Birth Year
Birthplace Southwark, Surrey, England
Age 29
Occupation Housekeeper
Marital Status U
Head of Household Thomas GRAMMER
Relation Serv


Dwelling 1 Eastbourne Ter Prince Of Wales
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341004
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0019 / 32
Page Number 1

oh where did you find that. On my copy of the 1891 census, I cant make it out.

Ellen was listed as married in 1891.

There's a birth for an Eleanor Younger that could fit.

Rose

I have no idea if this will help but his father was George Chapman and mother Elizabeth (unknown)

Fred born in Kentish town in 1859, and Ellen 1854 Peckham, London

When was Fred born and where? same Question for Ellen?

I haven't been able to find anything, and it has been driving me mad. If I didn't have the birth certificate of my grandfather in front of me, I would question the marriage at all. I have also had trouble finding Elizabeth his sister.

Yes, I think I have her in the 1891 census, she was a visitor at the house my great grandfather was lodging at 43 Brayards Road, camberwell, Peckham. She had no children with her at the time.

james Thomas Chapman born 30th November 1895 is the son of Frederick and Ellen. Although his date of birth, and age are slightly out on one of the census's. He was registered in Jan 1896.

I have been looking and can't find

A marriage for Ellen to a Mr Younger
Any of the Youngers on the 1891
A birth for Ellen Younger though i could find one for Henry
And i couldn't see a birth for Ellen Edmonds to tie in

I don't see her first marriage. Do you have her in 1891?

Rose

Who is son of Ellen and Fred (name) and when was when was he born?

I have a bith certificate for my great grandad. It is stated she was Ellen Chapman, late younger, formerly Edmonds. they were living at 17 New James street at the time of his birth.

I hadn't considered them not being married.

Thank you for helping

Have you got birth certificates for their children? Do you have a death for Ellen?

Perhaps she was still married to her first husband