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Hi again Jo

Daniel is recorded as father. To confirm it you would need the baptism record (James is a pre 1837 birth so there isn't a cert)

I will have a look for Daniel in the earlier years and post anything i find.

It might be that none of the things i have found are your family but at least if you have the details you know which to ignore next time!!!

Glen,

Thankyou for your help i will write all this down. So Daniel is James Father, i will look into finding more on him if i can but me and the census just dont get on at all. Have you come across James mum's name at all? As maybe as he had his dad living with him then maybe they were divorced or she has passed away.
Thankyou Glen your very kind.

Jo

Again for reference, this looks like Leah before the marriage

1851 England Census
about Leah Pipe
Name: Leah Pipe
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingsbury Episcopi, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Muchelney
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Langport
Sub registration district: Somerton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Pipe 2
Jane Pipe 4
John Pipe 40
Leah Pipe 14
Mary Pipe 38
Rhoda Pipe 6
Sarah Pipe 9


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1926; Folio: 402; Page: 7; GSU roll: 221083.


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I'll just throw this one in too, possibly the grandparents?????

1851 England Census
about Leah Pipe
Name: Leah Pipe
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingsbury, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Kingsbury Episcopi
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Langport
Sub registration district: Somerton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Williamb Ailey 9
Ann Pipe 12
Gate Pipe 7
George Pipe 64
Leah Pipe 65
Mary Pipe 28
Hannah Talbott 50


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1926; Folio: 455; Page: 5; GSU roll: 221083.

Again for reference, you can either use this to confirm things later or discount it as needed,

1871 England Census
about James Stuckey
Name: James Stuckey
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsbury, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Regent
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members: Name Age
Edward C Stuckey 4
George J Stuckey 1
James Stuckey 44
John Stuckey 8
Leah Stuckey 34
Mary Ann Stuckey 9


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 204; Folio: 12; Page: 15; GSU roll: 824592

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1861 England Census
about James Stuckey
Name: James Stuckey
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsbury Episcopi, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Kingsbury Episcopi
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Langport
Sub registration district: Langport
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
James Stuckey 33
Leah Stuckey 23


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1630; Folio: 92; Page: 2; GSU roll: 542842

I'm just adding this for reference, best to make a note or print it out for use later if it is relevant

Assuming James and Leah are the parents and the 1881 census posted above is correct this is the same household showing the details for James;

Name: James Stucky
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leah
Father's Name: Daniel
Gender: Male
Where born: Langport, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 4 Blandford Pl
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Road Laborer

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Stucky 15
Daniel Stucky 78
Elizabeth Stucky 9
George Stucky 11
James Stucky 55
John Stucky 18
Leah Stucky 43
Thomas Stucky 2
Walter Stucky 3




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 220; Folio: 21; Page: 36; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341048.

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The reference to Langport Somerset seems to suggest this is the marriage of James and Leah

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
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BONNING Eliza Langport 5c 659
MALE Gerrard Langport 5c 659
Pipe Leah Langport 5c 659
Stuckey James Langport 5c 659

I tend to agree, looks like mum died not long after


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Deaths Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Stuckey Leah 55 Islington 1b 129

Hi Glen,

I think the first death age 61 would be the better one as in 1891 census was aged 60 and also Islington is where they were living att he time.

There is a chance that the fathers were still alive and the couple claimed to be 21 (and therefore avoid needing parental consent).

Based on the census returns given earlier Elizabeth seems fairly consistent with 1872 as her year of birth so she might have added a few months onto her age.

BUT;

There are two deaths that might be worth considering,

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Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Stuckey James 61 Islington 1b 226
Stuckey James 59 Whitechapel 1c 276

Glen

Would there of been a chance the Father's of Isaac and Elizabeth were in the war as im wondering why both deceased, Elizabeth's dad was sill alive in 1891 in census but cant of been in war then as was a road labourer, dont know about Isaac, cant find anything on him yet.

Hi,

I got the marriage cert today for my nan's parents, this is what is on the cert.

Isaac Walter Jackson and Elizabeth Stuckey married in Islington on 25th december 1892 both are 21 years old.
Isaac is a carman of 48 Wynford road and Elizabeth living at 15 milton grove.
Isaac's father is Frederick Jackson (deceased) proffesion cotler? and
Elizabeth's father is James Stuckey also deceased was a road labourer.
The witnesses are Alice Stuckey and George Stuckey so maybe the census found is right.

Can anyone help more with this please?

Hi Jennifer,

Thankyou for clearing this up for me. I know people lied back then about there age. Talk about make it hard for us when searching lol. When it comes to searching the census i really am useless as dont really understand it all.

Jo, first of all the census returns are only as good as the information given to the enumerator at the time. Many people couldn't read or write, so if the householder said his name was Stuckey, the enumerator would have spelt it he way he thought. Another common mis-spelling is for eg Wallace/Wallis. I know because I have them in my tree.

Also many people didn't know how old they actually were, and would say whatever they thought was right. People also lied about their ages (making themselves younger or older as fitted their purpose).

When looking at census returns you must always keep an open mind

Jennifer

Bump

Sorry to be a pain but the census searches do they have mistakes.

The 1881 surname is spelt Stucky and the 1891 spelt Stuckey.
Also the father James in 55 in 1881 and then 60 in 1891
The mother Leah is 43 in 1881 and then 56 in 1891 and this is for the St Pancra area where the first birth for a Elizabeth was found and the second birth is for Edmonton area. If i had found this i would of thought the first birth would go with the census searches as same area.
Isaac Jackson census he is living with the Graham family and not his own but dosent have the first name Walter.
Sorry to be a nuisance.

Ok Rachel, good thinking, marriage cert first. Thankyou.

Jo,

Start with the facts you know and work backwards from there. You know the names of the people who married and you have a marriage reference, so start off with that. Apply for the marriage certificate and see what information is shown on it - names of their father's, their father's occupation, address at the time of marriage etc and work backwards from there.

Either one of the birth references could be right - but you will need to find the father's name from the marriage certificate first.

This could be Isaac in 1891:

Name: Isaac Jackson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma E Blunt 14
Arthur Crary 32
Arthur A E Graham 22
Charlotte S Graham 13
George C Graham 8
James C Graham 19
Sarah Graham 45
Willie Graham 16
Isaac Jackson 19 greengrocer's assistant

Thankyou Rutland Belle. I wouldnt know what is right or wrong, im not good with the census what so ever.

Rachel thankyou for clearing it up for me so i will ignore the first cert details now. The marriage cert is the 1b 738 reference for both couples who married and i add that and the names when ordering?

This could be the family in 1891:

Name: Elizabeth Stuckey
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Leah
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Stuckey 10
Elizabeth Stuckey 19 funeral servant
George Stuckey 22
James Stuckey 60
Leah Stuckey 56
Walter Stuckey 14
William Stuckey 2/12

My first one for Jane Elizabeth Stuckey could be the one - however, the district is Pancras.

The second one I found shows her name the same as when she married and in the same area (district of Edmonton).

Out of the two entries, I would suspect that the second one would be hers given the place of marriage etc but you would have to find this out.

It maybe an idea to get her marriage certificate to find out the name of her father (which will help you to find her on earlier census')