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Hello Ladies,
Kath, I loved your story, what an unusual name, I just adore names but I have never heard that one before, do you know anything about it.
My sister was married by a Rev Rainbow which I think is so nice and I'm being married by a Rev Everest, you don't get much higher than that.
Janice, do you have any interesting stories on your tree
Back to Thomas. I do not think that Janices Thomas fits, sorry. There are so many of them out there.
We still have a large family connection with Welsh Newton, but sadly not any living relatives left there. We wondered how Eliza came to be living there and meeting Mr Rogers but it makes sense if she was born there and still had family there who would be able to help her with the little boys.
My Dave is coming down for a few days next week, Welsh Newton is not very far from here, it is by Monmouth, so weather permitting I might suggest that we go for a ride out there and visit the church and see if we can find anything. That would be such fun. And I would certainly love to be able to tell you both something for a change.
I am going to Daves over the weekend and he is using a different family tree site and has free access to the census so we will make good use of that too.
I have been contacted by a chap that thinks our Thomas might be the same but I think his comes from Cheltenham, which is where I thought mine might have been from in the first place.
Red herrings get in the way too much.
Elaine

Good morning, just off to work to earn the money that I do so need, 28 th of the month cannot come soon enough. Will reply better when I have had a chance to read and understand what you have sent, eg when I am awake, Have a good day, Elaine

looking at 1901 census this looks like William's birth index
Name: William Charles Webb
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pontypridd
County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 536
and Thomas
Name: Thomas George Webb
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 29
If you are sure the marriage index i posted is the right one then thats ok but if you are not sure then a childs birth cert would give mothers maiden name.
If you haven't got the link for getting certs then this is it
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
cost £7 as you have index details


?? Eliza in 1891 that fits the 1901 census details but just for ref. until you have more detail Name: Eliza Harris
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Welsh Newton, Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish: Usk
Ecclesiastical parish: Usk
Town: Usk
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

With the Herefordshire connection you might like to keep this 1891 census to one side as a possible Thomas Webb
Name: Thomas Webb
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston, Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: Abersychan St Thomas
Town: Varteg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Just reading back though he wouldn't be old enough would he if he was 33 when he died

Unfortunately I don't really have any interesting stories. My family were all a bit boring really (which is why I like poking my nose into other people's trees, lol).

Finding my grandfather was the best thing for me. We have an unusual name (KILL), and when he left my grandmother in the 1920's no one knew what had happened to him. I searched and searched for his death but couldn't find it anywhere. Then when I was looking for something unrelated, I found a marriage for his name with the same middle initial as his. This was in a year when he would have been 60 and at the other end of the country from where he had lived. To cut a long story short, I sent for the certificate - it was him, same father's name and occupation. There was an address on the certificate so I contacted Hastings library to see if they would look up electoral registers for me, and a lovely man there called Roger spent the whole of one Saturday looking up things and checking records and found lots of addresses he had lived at, found his and his second wife's obituaries in a local newspaper, worked out from the obituary that he had a daughter (my father's half-sister that he had not known about) and managed to trace her and her husband right up to 1983. The reason I couldn't find his death was because he seemed to switch between spelling his name Kill and Keil.

After that I sent a letter to the newspaper that had carried the obituaries in the 1950's asking if anyone knew his daughter's whereabouts now and lo and behold his daughter was still alive and her sister-in-law emailed me with her address.

We are now in regular contact by letter.

Once I found all this I felt I had done what I first set out to do, and I haven't been seriously researching my tree any more.

Kath. x

You really are hooked, and I'm getting as bad.
Yes we do know a bit about them.
Daisy L Wells 25/11/1898 born Roke Marsh, Benson, Oxford.
Married Sadek Fahmy on 28 /12/1921 in Islington, London.
They sailed to Egypt 5/8/1922
They had a child Nazly, Audrey Fahmy in 1928
We do not know whether it is a boy or a girl.
Waiting for pay day to get cert at this rate all next months money will be gone too
She is the sister of my grandmother, the family lost contact with her or disowned her after she left Eng. We have info on her family but would love to know where or what happened to her.
What is the most interesting story on your tree.

Did your relation and the Egyptian gentleman marry over here or in Egypt? I know nothing about Egypt, but if they married in England they can probably be found in the index.

Kath. x

We do know for certain that he is our Thomas.
I am going to get the cert when I next get paid, oh money is such a silly thing. I had some at the begining of the month but what with the boys, the electricity bill and buying my wedding outfit it seems to have disappeared again, but thats life.
The certs will be the final proof, and then I'm off on another hunt, do you ladies know anything about Egypt. I have another thread up trying to find info on a relation who married an Egyptian gentleman and sailed to Egypt.

Hi Elaine,

I'm glad you managed to confirm that the second marriage I found for Eliza was correct, and thank you for your thanks, lol.

However I think what Janice has been trying to say is - how do you know that the Thomas Webb you have found on all the memorials is "your" Thomas Webb? Is there something on these memorials that link him to your family? I don't want to put a damper on your enthusiasm but you have to have some proof that he is "yours" especially if there are other Thomas Webbs around.

Kath. x

Kath and Janice, if i knew where you lived I would be sending round a big thank you to you both, but as I don't I will have to do it on here.
I have just had a phone call from my mother, she spoke to a member of the family today and he was able to confirm that ----
Eliza Webb married George William Rogers on 3rd May 1905.
You did it ladies, I had been trying for ages and you do it just like that.
Thomas and Eliza (and George) are now reunited with their family where they should be.
Thanks again. Elaine.

Hi, His number is on a beautiful big brass plaque in Hereford cathederal.
He is also mentioned on memorials in Cambridge, Bury St Edmunds, Ipswich and of course in Colesberg in South Africa.
I have found mention of his name and number on Boer war web pages, as I said I can find him on there but it is back in real life that I was having trouble finding him, until you ladies worked magic.

Thats ok , i just wondered as census details for wife seem to be more in the Glos. area. Was his number on the sons marriage cert then.

Hi
I do not have Thomas death cert, but I will be looking for one now that I know more.
I do have his war no 2276 and I am sure that it is the 1st Suffolk reg as that is what it says on all four war memorials.
Pay day cannot come soon enough this month.

Elaine,don't want to confuse things but do you know for sure that Thomas Webb Suffolk Reigment is yours.
I see there is this entry for another T Webb as well
Private 4223
1st Gloucestershire Regiment
30th October 1899
Farquhar's Farm
Killed

Just had a thought. Do you actually have Thomas's death certificate? If so, what age does it give for him? I'm presuming he died in South Africa. If this is the case, the reference for his death certificate should be on Findmypast website if you haven't already got it.

Kath. x

Hi Elaine,

I certainly think that the 1901 census of Eliza with the two boys is your family, and the second marriage for Eliza seems to be in the right place.

I did think the 1891 census for Thomas Webb who was in the army was only a possibility because of the fact that the regiment was different, but I do know that men moved around to different regiments. My own father-in-law who was in both the first and second world wars moved between two different regiments.

I think you need to get the marriage certificate from 1897 that Janice found and see what it says on there about Thomas's occupation and also if it names his father. Then need to try to track them down on an earlier census.

I know how excited you feel. I was the same when I finally found out what had happened to my grandfather who had left his wife and children (including my father) in the 1920's. After years of searching, a librarian in Hastings found me all sorts of information all in one day nearly two years ago. I was in tears for ages that day.

Let us know anything else you find that can help with the search.

Kath. x

Hello again,
yes I am certainly going to get the wedding cert, just got the electricty bill in so I will have to wait till pay day.
I'm still so excited, my boys think I must be on something as they have never seen me like this before

Do yoyu think it would be worth getting the marriage cert. from the index i posted
The 1891 census is for Royal Artillery so if it is the same one he must have gone to the Suffolk Regt.

Sorry I cannot spell professional, it must be the excitement.

Hi
I've been thinking again, you see Thomas is never far from my mind.
I called my oldest son Thomas even before I knew about this one.
Latest thought, Thomas was older than I thought he was when he died.
The info from the Newport Barracks would have ment that he was a proffesional soldier, not just sent to war
On William, his sons, marriage cert. it gives his father as Thomas Webb, deceased, occupation soldier, which again would tie in as a proffesional soldier.
Apart from the photo of Eliza and the babies we also have a posed picture of Thomas in his uniform with Eliza by his side.
I must get myself a copy of them as I would love to be able to show you my great grandfather and his family.
Many thanks again, off to think some more about Thomas