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Can you post the actual birth details for James Burne born in Birkenhead 1904? 'Cause it's going to take me more than a week to find, 'cause it ain't there. ;) (1903-1905, nope, nada, nowhere)

But if so, he's presumably with those Burnes in Birkenhead in earlier censuses I was looking at, originating in Scotland.


I'm not sure what you're asking about could May be Mary McCornick 1901.

Do you mean in the 1911 census? If so, yes, it's the one I posted a while ago:

MCCORNICK WILLIAM 1881 30 Toxteth Park Lancashire
MCCORNICK ANNIE 1884 27
MCCORNICK MARY 1910 1

which matches the William/Annie parents on the birth certificate, and you said matches his occupation. The birth certificate you have is absolutely the right one -- same birthday as on your nan's death record.


Is the James Burne you're talking about the one that's in the 1911 census?

BURNE JAMES 1904 7 Rochdale Lancashire

I think I posted that earlier too ... living with John Burne aged 3 and a Hannan family, parents Mary and Thomas.

will spend more time on this tomorrow at work when i have extra staff in
:))

James Burne 1904 born in Birkenhead he took me a week to find.
But i could not find his Death!!
That has throw me with Annie McCorNick had two children & one Passed away
Just a thought could May McCornick be Mary McCorNick 1910???
I am going to send for James Burne Birth/ William McCorNick birth/ James McCornick birth in the next few days .

Have had no come back from my Unlce Rusty Children's but the way my father was with the family with my Nan & Grandfather passed away i'm not holding out.(time may not have heeled the wounds yet) thats why i don't speak to my family.
Once again thank you for all yoyr help and i keep for getting about this page.
Jo :))

James was 34 when he married May in 1938 = dob 1903/4.

Loads of James Byrnes born in England/Wales in that timeframe, no James Burne.

I wasn't paying attention to that 1891 census info ...

Ann Burne 50
Emily Burne 14
Frederick Burne 13
> Walter Burne 7 - grandson
Mary Toole 36
Eliza Toole 16
Edward Toole 4

Could be, not necessarily.

Only two Walter Burne marriages 1900-1920

Walter Burne 1911 Ecclesall Bierlow
Walter Burne 1846 Reading

but there are Walter Byrnes aplenty.

I see only one really decent match in deaths to 1938:

Name: Walter G Byrne
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 49
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 666

or possibly

Name: Walter Byrne
Death Registration Month/Year: 1925
Age at death (estimated): 52
Registration district: Fareham
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 831


It's quite possible that James was from Ireland, with that surname. And possibly went back there.

Joanne ........... ! PMs are good for info about living people, but this recent stuff belongs in the thread so I can find it (already it was on page 4 of My Threads) and we keep the story together. So I'll copy and paste.



"I now have May MccorNick birth cert

She was Born on 19th september 1909 in the Sub-district of Everton South West Derby County of Liverpool

May's father was William McCorNick and he was a Police Conetable and May's mother was Annie Rolfe

May was registered on 20th October 1909

Just gone through the Census and found William McCorNick and Annie McCorNick all the infor on that matches my Nans birth record but Annie got had TWO CHILDREN and ONE LIVING???
Mary McCorNick 1910 so what would that mean?

The Address matches May McCorNick birth cert and that her dad was a Policeman so now i'm really puzzled "



That question is an easy one. The census asked for a woman's total number of children and how many were living in 1911. May's mother had had another child who died before 1911. May was the one living child.



So ... yay! The birthdate matches the May Hubbard death record 100%:

Name: May Hubbard
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: 1977
Registration district: Great Yarmouth
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1395

so that is your May. And that ties all the rest (info about living people etc sent by PM) together.


We also have info about May's first husband from the marriage certificate (whose death we can't find for love nor money, including in WWII, but who would virtually certainly be deceased: married in 1938, May herself born 1909):


"James dad was WALTER BURNE (Deceased) and he was a farmer so i think James mother was a lady named Ann and thier lived in Salford with his sister named Emily and two brothers named Frederick and Walter all born in Salford. (this came up on the Census 1891)"


(James's surname was spelled Byrne on children's birth records)



So along the road here you've fleshed out the details of the life of the grandmother you were very fond of. ;)

I am kind of forgetting what you may have said about the other bit: any luck finding your Uncle Rusty's family?

Just adding a post to keep it up in My Threads for easy reference as Joanne and I have been going over some info by PM.

Just to reply in the thread (many PMs later ;) -- yes, the birth cert you have for May McCorMick is the wrong one. The 1909 May McCorNick certificate is the one you want.

I've sent a list of the others you want too -- including that odd new one I ran into. ;)

May's name was spelled correctly when she married George Hubbard: May McCorNick. And in several other places (the other certificates I've advised to get). It just seems to have been got wrong on your dad's birth certificate -- although it may be right on the actual certificate, just transcribed wrong in the index.

You're going to have to get *me* those certificates for Christmas since I'm so madly curious about putting these people together!

so could this mean i might be looking up the wrong person?? or could these people have spelt her maiden wrong along the line somewhere?
:))

Got May in 1911, I think; she's recorded (or at least transcribed) as Mary.

MCCORNICK WILLIAM 1881 30 Toxteth Park Lancashire
MCCORNICK ANNIE 1884 27
MCCORNICK MARY 1910 1

Heh heh. Everybody here knows that if you hug *me*, I bite. ;)

I think, in fact I'd bet quite a bit, that the birth certificate you have is not the right one. Do get the Hubbard-McCornick marriage certificate; it will tell you May's father's name. See whether it matches the name on that birth certificate; also check her age when she married, and the father's occupations stated on each one.

Even if the father's name is the same (William is a common name, after all), I'd get the certificate for the 1909 birth I've posted, and see how it matches with the info on the marriage certificate.

To summarize it, that's this marriage certificate:

Marriages Jun 1943
Hubbard George J McCornick Birkenhead 8a 1278

and this birth certificate:

Births Dec 1909
McCornick May W. Derby 8b 479

(that is the *only* May McCornick birth)

-- and how interesting, when I went back to get those details, I forgot to change my search to "births" from "marriages" and accidentally found this marriage -- which matches with one of the births I sent you earlier (different spellling of the surname):

Marriages Jun 1938
McCornick May + James Burne
Birkenhead 8a 1508

I would be *very* curious about that one too. It seems May *was* married before her marriage to Hubbard. I wonder whether her husband was killed in WWII.

For info, I think the May McCorMick birth cert you have is a different person, and is this one in 1911:

MCCORMICK MAY 1909 2 Salford Lancashire
or this one
MCCORMICK MAY 1909 2 Salford Lancashire

Yes -- there are two identical entries and I don't pay to see the details to see whether there are actually two different people! And I can't spot your May otherwise.



>>>>> So the certificates I would definitely get, for sorting out May's identity, are:

Births Dec 1909
McCornick May
W. Derby 8b 479

Marriages Jun 1938
McCornick May + James Burne
Birkenhead 8a 1508

Marriages Jun 1943
Hubbard George J + May McCornick
Birkenhead 8a 1278


You're getting more than you asked/bargained for, and I'm glad it has helped and hope it does eventually put you in contact with your cousins.

I cant thank you guys enough all day i have cried my eyes out at work because it brought back so much from my childhood, the bits you forget so once again

THANKYOU THANKYOU and THANKYOU ::))
i do have my nan's birth cert and it says her name as May Mccormick born 12th May 1908 in Salford but then her death cert says her birth was 19th Sept 1909 that dont make sence to me. I have just added everyone to my tree as i have just finished work and so tomorrow at work if i get chance i will try and email these leads that you guys have given me.
Only if you could see me i'm like the cat who got the cream, i never thought this would happen but down to you guys it did thank you once again. If you were here i would hug you all :)) Xxxx

Aha, after several more tries, I finally managed to read my messages here. You are very welcome, and thank you for the lovely thanks.

Just one thing though: May's name really wasn't McCorMick. It really was McCorNick (see Rusty's birth, for instance).

Births Dec 1909
McCornick May W. Derby 8b 479

The 1943 marriage of your grandparents is

Name: George J Hubbard
Spouse Surname: May McCorNick

I would guess that this is her parents' marriage:

Name: William McCORNICK
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 590
to Annie Rolfe or Ann Swan

There are no McCornick-Swan births after 1911, but there are two McCornick-Rolfe births, 1914 and 1915 in Toxteth Park, who are probably May's brothers.

They married as McCorNick (Robert A, 1939 Ormskirk, Thomas R, 1947 Liverpool). Their deaths:

Thomas Rolfe Mccornick (dob 1915) Mar 1989 Wrexham Maelor Clwyd
Robert A Mccornick (age 33) 1948 Cardiff Glamorganshire

This is probably the death of your great-grandfather:

William Mccornick (age 68) 1950 Liverpool North Lancashire

I know it says McCorMick in the index for your dad's birth (I don't know what his actual birth certificate says), but that has to be an error.

May's birthdate, from her death record, was 19 Sep 1909. No May McCorMick birth was registered in the July-Aug-Sept or Oct-Nov-Dec quarter 1909.

If you do want to trace your family back ever, that bit is important.


Please do let me/us know how you get on with finding your cousins!

Joanne -- this horrible, antique, mismanaged website is refusing to let me see my inbox, but it tells me I have new messages.

Aha. Even though my email keeps telling me I have new mail here at GR from myself, I see when I open one of the notification messages from GR that there's a message from you.

I do also hope to see a message in this thread thanking everybody who at least *tried* to help you!

I hope that when I eventually get to see it, it will be saying that you agree, the mystery of your uncle is solved!

"Rusty" because of his red hair was what I was getting at back on page one when I said I suspected it had to do with something other than his name. ;)

he is my dad's half brother/stepbrother
the reason why we called him Rusty was of his Red Hair and that is all i knew him by as i was very young at the time

Flick,

I didn't get upperty with anyone, but actually when I addressed my first

question to Janey you answered and then when I addressed my next

question to you, Janey answered!

A bit like the Two Ronnies " It's goodnight from me, and it's goodnight from him"

And it's a very good morning from me :-))

Kind regards,

Cathy

PS with a tug of the forelock......

Defination of Uppity:
Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous: "was getting a little uppity and needed to be slapped down"

Yes -- I put it in a nutshell to Rambling Rose as --

Rusty's mother married Joanne's father's father.

They were Joanne's father's parents.

Rusty was Joanne's father's half-brother -- common mother.

From what I can tell!

I was hoping that when the thread popped to the top of My Threads just now it meant Joanne had returned. But PMs are still unread. Maybe she'll have time to check in on the weekend.

Me, it's almost 6 pm here, end of work week, hot and humid and horrible as ever, I'm heading home!

If you have any "h"s to add to that, feel free. ;)

Funny how you only got uppity with me Cathy........it wasn't I who asked you to delete your posting .


Janey

Do you think this man was actually any relation to Joanne's father?

I've found one daughter with her husband on the ER to 2006, and a couple of related names in the next generation, but that's the extent of it so far, and I'm a bit boggled so I'm taking a break.

Have directed Joanne for emailing Whirley for an ER lookup for that record -- Joanne, ask her to check for a more recent listing for any of those names too! -- and suggested Facebook, particularly for the fairly uncommon name of that daughter's husband.

Joanne hasn't read any of my several PMs yet, but hopefully she didn't give up to the extent of not checking her mail!

Cathy, let's not argue ...

The marriage I posted was Joanne's own grandparents (and I believe we know they are deceased). That's a little different from either a stranger or another non-direct relation who isn't aware of the discussion here, particularly when it involves rather sensitive matters like divorce (and we don't know whether the first wife is living, the children certainly are, etc.).


Name: May Hubbard
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: 1977
Registration district: Great Yarmouth
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1395

Name: George James Hubbard
Birth Date: 25 Jan 1898
Death Registration Month/Year: 1982
Registration district: Great Yarmouth
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1322


(Yes, even the marriage info of deceased persons can be somewhat sensitive in relation to living people -- another reason I have not put Rusty's name here.)