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Susan, you are a novice. ;)

First, spellings in censuses must be assumed to be whacky. People didn't pay a lot of attention to spellings much of the time -- or enumerators spelled things as they thought best. This probably isn't a mistranscription, but it's worth checking the original.

Second, census ages are commonly a year out. The census was early in the year, and didn't ask for date of birth, it asked for age. So if a person had a birthday in the last 3/4 of the year, s/he will look a year younger than if the census had been at the end of the year.

Hyram 1908 in the 1911 *is* your Hiram!

Your birth certificate for Hiram shows parents as Charles Ross and Ann Henrietta Bennett.

It doesn't actually say they were married. ;)

People didn't have to produce proof of identity or marriage when they registered children. Henrietta Bennett Baker was undoubtedly going by Ann Ross at the time of the birth and they were presenting themselves publicly as married.

Now, the Charles Ross we have our eye on (son of William) was single in 1901, and Henrietta's husband died in 1901. Why didn't they marry before 1909?

Well, of course, that Charles may have just lied in 1901, and actually been estranged. Or an enumerator assumed.

But don't forget, there is this marriage:

Marriages Sep 1875
CASSERLY Lucy Salford 8d 11
>>> Ross Charles Alexander Salford 8d 11
Scott Arthur George Salford 8d 11
SCRACE Jane Salford 8d 11

which isn't consistent with Charles son of William in 1881:

Charles Ross 16 -- too young.

It's going to take some more digging, but the Baker-Ross marriage certificate seems to be the place to start.

I'm not seeing a Charles married to Lucy or Jane to fit the bill for that marriage, in 1881. There's one in 1881 in the Royal Artillery in Kent who might be interesting ...

But the marriage certificate is where to start -- for age and father's name.

She seems to chop and change, I wouldnt get too confused its quite normal here ! Women are concidered insane for some time after birth !

Hyram 1908 and Hiram 1907 (per birth certificate) On my Hiram's birth certificate dated 4/10/1907, Ann Henrietta is listed as Ross, formerly Bennett....

I am confused - again

Well it could be be that Charles had a previous wife so he couldnt marry until 1909 .
Just found the Baker children with her on the 1911

HOUSEHOLD BAKER ELIZABETH F 1889 22 Manchester Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BAKER JAMES M 1895 16 Manchester Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BAKER PETER M 1893 18 Manchester Lancashire

Question: If Ann Henrietta married my Charles Ross in 1909, my Hiram is listed as born 1907. You have Henrietta in 1911 with Alice (b.1907, aged 4) Hyram (1908) Walter (1905).

Forgive me, how do my Hiram and Charles 1912 fit into the equation?

On the other hand NZ is like the black hole of research for us unless you happen to be Maori ! {sp}

Well , I thank you with the utmost of sincerity. No more money will leave my purse in pursuit of any genealogist.

Being a first generation kiwi, I have always wanted to know from where we sprang. It seems hard for us in the modern era to comprehend people not knowing their own kin, thankfully times have changed.

I look forward to making sense of it all, bring on the ancestors, warts and all.

And of course the only half-wit looking thing about you is all that money you paid to the "genealogist"!!!!

Genealogists tend to do things the old way. We here are search engine whizzes, and that is a skill set all its own that I fear many professionals have not quite caught up to.

Oh btw -- a couple of households away from Chas Ross in Salford in 1901 is someone identified as a foundry labourer, and there are other iron workers on the page.

It's looking very good to be the Charles you had in mind, although by a rather different route. ;)

We move by night in secret places. ;)

I think the Chas I finally *did* find is the son of William and Alice, who it is looking like probably is your Charles.

And that makes it likely that the 1912 Charles son of Ross and Bennett is your dad's uncle Charles.

Now I just want my pot of gold!

?

Name: Chas Ross
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Name: Wm Ross
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Salford


Ancestry shows no one else in the household. The image shows Chas as unmarried and a general labourer.

1901 census online, ational Archives Records:
address 46 Dalton St, Salford

Charles Ross ,head, married, railway platelayer, born Shrops Edgmond, wfe Ann Ross, 34, son Charles 1.

Looks like I have been chasing the wrong links all along.

Thankyou so much for your help. To be honest, my head is spinning trying to get a grip on the information you have provided.

I am in need of a large glass of wine I think.

How do you come up with so much so quickly? Are you in the UK?

Thanks again EvieBeavie and Lindsey.

I promise I am not a half wit, contrary to what you are probably thinking. I will digest and process, hopeflly I can put it all on paper to tell my Dad ,Eric and my uncle - yes Charles (lives in Sydney).

Cheers,

Susan

Twigged to your thanks to Eleanor at the beginning.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1096755

"I have a Charles and Ann Ross (1901 census) living at 46 Dalton St, Salford. "

Hmm, no, that's not the one.

Were you sent other info by private message?

Could be; there are also 3 old messages:

Trying to find Bennett
ANN HENRIETTA BENNETT I am trying to find relat
Susan Millar 12/07/2006 08:17:03 0
Trying to find Bennett
HELP PLEASE ! I am searching for any informat
Susan Millar 06/12/2006 18:09:38 0
Trying to find Ross
Help Please ! I am trying to find a link to my
Susan 03/02/2007 07:47:48 0


Future ref. One post only, just add to it to bump it up to the top of the list.

For instance, when you get the Ross-Baker marriage cert, post the info here (and edit the subject line to say "new info page __" or some such.)

Now to find that 1901 household I can't find ...

"I once again assumed Charles was older than Hiram from the 1901 census info."

Sorry, Susan ............ what 1901 census info?

Probably Henrietta's birth -- likely she grew unfond of the name Henrietta.

Births Jun 1867
BENNETT Henrietta Manchester 8d 274

Oh well done I went back to scoop up the rellies and 1911 gave me to too busy sign!

Deffo demand a refund, for £3 english its a bargain to get the original !

What you absolutely need now is the Baker-Ross marriage certificate to get Charles's age and father's name.

That's the only way to identify him certainly in the earlier censuses.

Susan, that's shameful.

Please print this out, take it to said genealogist, and seek a return of money!

Seriously. Yikes.

Here are the people named Ross living with Henrietta Baker in 1911:

ROSS ALICE F 1907 4 Manchester Lancashire
ROSS HYRAM M 1908 3 Manchester Lancashire
ROSS WALTER M 1905 6 Manchester Lancashire


The mystery is now 100% cracked, I'd say!

More than $900 NZ dollars.....